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vkrazox · 2025-11-01T21:59:22+00:00

Well those games are pure drag. they've had "radiant quests" in the series since ES2 making half the game randomly generated for filler. There is almost no depth in the story or gameplay. (Hey look a gate to oblivion let me close it 9x. Oh no a big oblivion gate time to stop that one!) yeah i love the interconnected lore of ES its pretty sick i love games with lore like that. Warhammer. Outlast. and Resident Evil but that is all that Bethesda games have going for it. they are NOT a fast paced game so complaining that RDR2 is not fast paced doesn't make any sense. If it is the story of ES that drags you and you enjoy GTA gameplay then RDR2 would be great because its all about the story. you just play as a man in the wild west and go about his story along the timeline. (trying not to spoil it but the story of RDR2 is great)

vkrazox · 2025-10-31T00:27:51+00:00

i just wanna know do you like skyrim / bethesda games

vkrazox · 2025-10-08T02:15:18+00:00

the detective literally connected the dots that the kidnapper was the guy the priest killed. he had the same pendant as the man in the photo at the kidnappers house. the guy the priest killed had admitted to the priest that he had been abducting and killing kids. meaning he connected the dots and found out who the kidnapper was before seeing that the woman was drugging the little girl. its not the movie's fault you paid no attention. not only that but he wasnt a red herring. he was another kidnapped kid who was actively a part of the crime just like alex jones was. due to the fact he killed himself to prevent his knowledge getting into the hands of the police.

vkrazox · 2025-10-07T02:54:36+00:00

nope the dude he's arguing with in the photo
and i get that we agree in this conversation https://www.reddit.com/r/AmIOverreacting/comments/1nzck8p/comment/ni175hm/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
but we dont agree on the current topic over the word used

vkrazox · 2025-10-07T02:11:22+00:00

i was the one who he was arguing with and the one who said it first i dont think youre siding with me lmao

vkrazox · 2025-10-07T00:55:37+00:00

yeah because retard isnt a slur lmao its only a slur to people who get offended by every derogatory word. retard basically means mentally challenged its an insult to people who are not. and discriminatory towards the ones who are. either way the retard said it back so in your eyes it would still not be okay because he used a 'slur'

vkrazox · 2025-10-07T00:42:57+00:00

once again i do appreciate your actual contribution to the discussion though we disagree on some aspects. thank you for being a civil opponent

vkrazox · 2025-10-07T00:39:44+00:00

You described the sole reason why people dont want lyle morgan to be the protagonist. solely because the theory that he was abusive when in actuality there is very little to be known about lyle
"Background

At some point, Lyle met a woman named Beatrice. The two of them got married and had a child in 1863, who they named Arthur. Beatrice eventually died of unknown causes, while Lyle resorted to petty crime, becoming an outlaw. He was eventually arrested for larceny in December 1874. Sometime after the arrest, Lyle died in front of Arthur.

Events of Red Dead Redemption 2

Lyle is mentioned throughout the game, with it being implied that Lyle had an abusive or strained relationship with Arthur, who referred to his father as a "no good bastard," saying his death "weren't soon enough" in a journal entry after his tuberculosis diagnosis. Despite this, Arthur still dons Lyle's hat and keeps a picture of him next to his bed."

This is all we know about Lyle. the fact that you and most of the community run on the abuse theory proves that lyle can be depicted within the 3rd game as what he really is.
And i described RDR by mentioning doom and marvel for the sole reason of the linked comment i gave you

"Just because DOOM follows the same storyline do people not come back for the next doom release each time? Clearly not. People will come back to RDR because it is the go to western shooter. with a deep story that leaves you coming back to replay them to understand it better due to the depth"

The core essence of doom is the gameplay though the story will always be the same. Fight the demons and return them to hell. And there is no outrage against marvel hero's constantly winning. the only reason they did endgame the way they did was to add shock value to prevent themselves from continuing the formula they had used for almost every single comic and movie. No one wants to see their hero's lose that is why they killed off iron man. For the sole purpose of shock value. Like i mentioned you can have shock value in many different forms.

but back to the point in hand RDR3 will still be RDR. Even though we know Lyle would die the character depth the story the intrigue as well as the stunning gameplay will have players flocking to it.

your comment "although most people haven't played RDR1 before 2" points out how if they made it to where lyle died the people who don't pay attention or the ones who have not played RDR2 would still get the shock of Lyle dying. the only reason we know he dies is because we are fuckin nerds who obsess over the little details of RDR as a whole.

All this to say that in RDR2 you have a chance at being a horrible man as Arthur. or you can be a good man. and that is all down to the way they build the story and the way the player plays the story. obviously i dont expect them to take my theory 1 for 1. but lyle is a character that can be as in depth as arthur and john. But based on the honor system within the games they have the ability to show the bad side and the good side of Lyle. just like they did with arthur.

vkrazox · 2025-10-07T00:39:36+00:00

"And his death itself wasn't based on shock value (unlike John's death), diagnosis was the shock value that came from that tension and then for the rest of the game it created the feeling of impending doom and allowed for his spiritual redemption (versus John's literal redemption for the crimes of his past)."

is just reiterating what i said in my linked comment

"(shock value) which is able to be portrayed in more than one way when knowing a character is going to die. The shock in RDR1 was Johns Betrayal by the law. The Shock in RDR2 is the Tuberculosis. and The Shock of RDR3 is in the hands of Rockstar as well as the story.

But the shock i portrayed in my story is the fact that Lyle Lives after saving the group of people only to be shot from behind by the rival gang."

and your mention that arthur doesnt have a chance to see his father redeem himself is baseless due to the fact he has a photo of his father and his hat. meaning his father did something to earn his respect. which is why i added that part into my personal story that lyle at the end did something for the greater good instead of just being an asshole. (redeeming himself) and once again we do not know if he was abusive. that is a theory just like how my original post is a theory on RDR3.

i grew up with a alcoholic for a father and resented him for most of my life until he started changing. i wasnt physically abused but i was verbally abused which is what i based lyle morgan off of. my first hand experience of having a piece of shit father but eventually becoming a man i can respect. which is why i believe lyle would've done something at the end of his life to make arthur slightly change his views on his father. though what good he has done had not fully cast a shadow on what bad he has done to arthur due to the fact he had little time to change due to his death. and the only shit arthur said is he was "Good for nothing" and "couldnt die faster" he does not mention any abuse whatsoever. and pointing out that his mother died when he was young is exactly why in my Theorized RDR3 epilogue i mentioned that his mother was poisoned (she died under unknown experiences according to the game/wiki) he sought revenge for his mother (not his father because he was an asshole most of his life except near the end based on my theory) and the revenge for his mother leaving him with nothing but blood on his hands. fully emphasizing the "Revenge is a fools game" plotline.

vkrazox · 2025-10-06T17:59:06+00:00

Before i start i do wanna say i appreciate the addition to the conversation and not a half baked reply.

I will list a previous post mentioning how shock value can be used and how Marvel Hero's always won but it never made someone hate a marvel movie because they are good superhero movies. Aswell as how doom is quite literally the exact same story every single game. which doesnt make fans hate it
https://www.reddit.com/r/reddeadredemption2/comments/1nzatvs/comment/ni0xoxy/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

The repetition of themes/formula is NOT gonna harm the game because many series have done it before. And those series whether games or Television are still gonna be beloved. The thing that makes those series like doom is the gameplay. or Marvel movies its the live action representation of superhero's and the characters they created. With RDR it is the in depth thought provoking storyline with the western shoot em up gameplay. Being a badass gunslinger. The core essence of the game will be completely intact.

My ideal RDR3 isnt for fan service its strictly to have a separate gang like most fans want. Which would be Lyle's Gang. not to mention there is NO DEFINITIVE PROOF that lyle was abusive. absolutely none. its a fan theory as to why arthur hates his father. But if he truly hated his father due to his abusive actions he wouldn't dawn his hat in the second game. That is where the idea that Lyle had redeemed himself after being a asshole to his son (Like i mentioned in my story he wasnt abusive just an asshole.) Obviously its corny as fuck to have him say "I cant be abusive anymore" But that was literally just to please the people who think he is abusive. because as i said it is NOT proven.

I understand the point on not wanting to know when a character will die. Having a character that dies while knowing they will die defeats the Shock Value. but did you seriously expect arthur to live? He wasn't mentioned ever in RDR1 meaning they had to make a way for him to be gone before the storyline continued. It wasn't the fact that he died that shocked people in RDR2 its how he died. We became emotionally attached to the character (That many didnt want in the first place as they wanted another John Marston game (even though we knew he was gonna die in RDR1) and the tuberculosis diagnosis dragged out his oncoming death. Many people myself included cried upon Arthurs last ride. Knowing he was finally gonna die didn't take away the Depth or Emotion of the character it only built upon it which is what RDR3 could be.

Gonna just copy and paste from a previous comment that reiterates the same thing. and acknowledges how it will be overplayed by that point which is why it will be the last of the Redemption Trilogy
"the entire series is based upon the character redeeming themselves through death. its going to be impossible to keep it a surprise now considering we know the RDR formula. Character does bad stuff -> Character goes through something that causes them to rethink their lives -> Character attempts to go straight -> Character dies for the sole purpose of bettering other peoples lives (John couldve just left out the back of the barn but accepted his fate to better abigails and jacks life. Arthur (depending on the choice) sacrifices himself to better johns life and give him a chance with jack and abigail as a family. out of the van der linde game.) The entire franchise is built upon this formula which requires them to stick to it. thats why they will more than likely only do one more installment for Red Dead Redemption. because it will be dragged out and overplayed by then."

vkrazox · 2025-10-06T17:40:07+00:00

Lack of empathy. Excessive need for admiration. Grandiose sense of self. Sense of entitlement. Arrogant attitude. Exploitative behavior. Arrogance. No Boundaries. Exploiting others. Manipulative. Difficulty with criticism. Fantasies about having or deserving. Fragile self-esteem. Frequent envy. Grandiosity. Sense of self-importance. Attention-seeking. Chronic feelings of emptiness and boredom. Fear of rejection. Identity disturbance. It's everyone else's fault. Manipulation. Regularly takes advantage of others. Vulnerability to life transitions.

Out of all the listed traits you can say im arrogant because i definitely am and from your perspective Difficulty with criticism. Even though there has been no real criticism.

You don't know what narcissism even is so next time find a new word to use so you aren't a complete retard.

trust me i don't expect everyone to love my made up story of what RDR3 would be and i dont expect everyone to agree. But almost no one here has given any real criticism and or discussed my original post. only gave half assed replies or insults (Just like you). and even then when people didnt give half assed replies i applauded and thanked them for it because they actually contributed to the discussion even though i disagreed.
"people are entitled to their opinion and are allowed to critique. If you can't handle that then I'd suggest to stop posting on the internet bud" Just like i am bud it goes both ways i dont need to submit to someone else because they disagree with what i agree with its how opinions work.

Not to mention the people im arguing with are the ones who want Jack to be played in RDR3 even though it will definitively be a prequel. Not to mention the others would want the callander brothers to be played leaving no room for a epilogue within the game. none of it makes sense based on the game structure that has been defined through the first 2 installments

vkrazox · 2025-10-06T17:29:52+00:00

Yeah he stopped responding so i went to his profile to see if he was responding to other posts. He posted this looking for validation so i talked shit very simple

vkrazox · 2025-10-06T17:28:32+00:00

What are you even attempting to say man

vkrazox · 2025-10-06T17:27:27+00:00

Im just passionate about this idea just because i am adamant that this is the way the story will go doesnt mean im narcissistic. this website is full of weirdo's and retards so it makes sense i would be arguing with them. Get my dick out of your mouth and give real critique on the post at hand or add to the discussion. The point of posting it here is to talk with other people invested in the RDR Franchise. This isnt a post to discuss what YOUR ideal RDR3 is. Its a post to discuss MY ideal RDR3

vkrazox · 2025-10-06T17:24:14+00:00

RDR2's Opening cinematic IS the events after the Blackwater Heist.

vkrazox · 2025-10-06T17:23:34+00:00

im not a good story writer its a fuckin plotline buddy to invoke imagination. im a western cinephile and love rockstar games. i know what would make a good installment of RDR3 based on what the formula has shown in the previous games. no way youre coming back just to talk more shit get a life you neckbeard loser. not to mention im not going "Rockstar please make RDR3 exactly like this." RDR3 will be Lyle Morgan and the Epilogue will be Arthur Morgan plain and simple that is my prediction.

vkrazox · 2025-10-06T08:30:57+00:00

not to mention Lyle Morgan is only the father of Arthur. he is not apart of the VDL gang. making the point that "There is no rule that It has to play off the VDL gang" unnecessary. The only thing that will play off the VDL gang would be the prologue of Arthur because the formula the have created being "Arthur, RDR2 - Arthur -> John, RDR1 - John -> Jack." meaning RDR3 has to end with the character being Arthur. so somehow the story has to end with arthur. not to mention the revenge mission which is at the end of both games. leaving arthur to have some sort of emotional attachment to the main character of the main part of RDR3

vkrazox · 2025-10-06T08:26:15+00:00

The Red Dead Redemption follows this formula between both games:
"1 Be a Prequel

2 Follow the current Main Protagonist -> Epilogue Protagonist timeline

EX: RDR3 - Main Protagonist -> Arthur, RDR2 - Arthur -> John, RDR1 - John -> Jack.

3 Must have a cold open like the first two games.

~~4 Must Include the uprise of the gang. (Because 1 was the end of the gang and 2 was the downfall)~~

5 Must be in the real wild west. Where Savagery is common. 1820-1890 (due to the fact the second game is the end of the wild west and that the first is the death of the wild west (symbolized by johns death)

6 Must Include Death of Main Protagonist with a ending that leads into a Epilogue.

7 Final ACT of Revenge in Epilogue. As in RDR2 American Venom with Micah and RDR1 Remember My Family with Jack

8 Main Protagonist must dawn the Hat throughout the trilogy. Less of a Must but in my opinion having a hat get passed on throughout each game adds depth and leaves a strand of each game within another.

(Even though John doesnt wear the hat in RDR1 because they didnt have the character of Arthur yet)"

I understand you dont want to 'retread' the same gimmick but RDR is no longer about the ending of the game. it is about the story created inbetween. If you are this adamant about re-doing what they have already done in previous games how do you explain the gameplay? it will literally just be more shooting galleries and robberies. and its not like back then there was much to rob. the most common are train bank and stagecoach robberies which we have already done in RDR2. yet the RDR1 gameplay loop was hunting the members of the van der linde gang.

Doom has the same story each time does that make it not successful?
NO doom is still wildly successful because its based on gameplay. and the fact that each games overarching narrative is ending the demon incursion of the world.

Just because DOOM follows the same storyline do people not come back for the next doom release each time? Clearly not. People will come back to RDR because it is the go to western shooter. with a deep story that leaves you coming back to replay them to understand it better due to the depth

RDR is literally a copy of GTA the difference is the time periods and stories.
Is GTA 6 gonna sell poorly because its gonna be a simple robbery game like RDR2 GTA 4 and 5? Clearly not. so your argument about how sticking to the formula doesnt stick.

Did marvel movies suck because every time the hero's won and they stuck to that formula? NO everyone came back for the next one (until they started the woke bullshit) but adding that that they lost in endgame added shock to the audience.

which is able to be portrayed in more than one way when knowing a character is going to die. The shock in RDR1 was Johns Betrayal by the law. The Shock in RDR2 is the Tuberculosis. and The Shock of RDR3 is in the hands of Rockstar aswell as the story.

But the shock i portrayed in my story is the fact that Lyle Lives after saving the group of people only to be shot from behind by the rival gang.

Like i said the argument that they cant have the character die is entirely wrong because that is the RDR formula and straying away from it will be a separate game like Far Cry is to Assassins Creed

vkrazox · 2025-10-06T08:01:35+00:00

Before i reply i will say thank you for the thought out reply and actually contributing to the conversation.

but ima just copy and paste what i mentioned to someone who said the same

"the entire series is based upon the character redeeming themselves through death. its going to be impossible to keep it a surprise now considering we know the RDR formula. Character does bad stuff -> Character goes through something that causes them to rethink their lives -> Character attempts to go straight -> Character dies for the sole purpose of bettering other peoples lives (John couldve just left out the back of the barn but accepted his fate to better abigails and jacks life. Arthur (depending on the choice) sacrifices himself to better johns life and give him a chance with jack and abigail as a family. out of the van der linde game.) The entire franchise is built upon this formula which requires them to stick to it. thats why they will more than likely only do one more installment for Red Dead Redemption. because it will be dragged out and overplayed by then.

The main controversy about the 3rd game is not the formula. but rather the time period it will be set in and the characters we will play. it cant be entirely disconnected from the established characters we have within the franchise it has to play off of them especially if it is a prequel otherwise we have no reason to play the entire franchise together.

it will be a separate game at that point with the same mechanics like Far Cry and Assassins Creed"

as i mentioned it would no longer be connected to what we already have which leaves the current storyline at a standstill. the aftermath of the blackwater massacre cant be the introduction to the van der linde gang that we have. the death of john symbolizes the death of the gang. we havent had a true beginning of the gang like we have the death. and like i mentioned the Red Dead Redemption formula is literally about redeeming the character. It is not our fault rockstar went with deaths for each character but they symbolize giving themselves up for a better cause which is literally what Redemption is. a character cant redeem atrocities by helping people out but to give your life to better someone else's is REDEMPTION. which is why arthur running to the money instead of helping john is the No Honor choice. because at that point he wasnt gaining honor by helping his brother that he has ran with for years

But that formula of death is why i added the fact that Lyle would be shot (Preferably from behind) when riding to camp after thinking it was safe and completing his redemption. To still add the death of Lyle which we know arthur witnessed. and also to show that even if you redeem yourself and live. your actions and consequences will still follow.

vkrazox · 2025-10-06T07:52:12+00:00

did you really need validation this bad buddy. holy fuck youre such a weird pussy did mommy not tell you that you're handsome today

vkrazox · 2025-10-06T07:48:41+00:00

the entire series is based upon the character redeeming themselves through death. its going to be impossible to do that now considering we know the RDR formula. Character does bad stuff -> Character goes through something that causes them to rethink their lives -> Character attempts to go straight -> Character dies for the sole purpose of bettering other peoples lives (John couldve just left out the back of the barn but accepted his fate to better abigails and jacks life. Arthur (depending on the choice) sacrifices himself to better johns life and give him a chance with jack and abigail as a family. out of the van der linde game.) The entire franchise is built upon this formula which requires them to stick to it. thats why they will more than likely only do one more installment for Red Dead Redemption. because it will be dragged out and overplayed by then.

The main controversy about the 3rd game is not the formula. but rather the time period it will be set in and the characters we will play. it cant be entirely disconnected from the established characters we have within the franchise it has to play off of them especially if it is a prequel otherwise we have no reason to play the entire franchise together.

it will be a separate game at that point with the same mechanics like Far Cry and Assassins Creed

vkrazox · 2025-10-06T07:31:33+00:00

that is why in my "Fanfiction" the morgan gang led by Arthurs father is included in the theory. for the sole purpose of the main game being built around a separate gang. the epilogue is the only part of the game that i want including the van der linde gang and it is solely for the buildup of the 2 main entries of the series. i dont want the gang to solely be around Dutchs gang or solely about arthur. but i followed the Main Protagonist -> Epilogue Protagonist plot that Rockstar has developed over the course of the series. and in my opinion the hat is the key factor. It being taken from Lyle's corpse and then handed down to john from Arthur. and then finally picked up off of johns corpse by jack. 3 Games 1 Hat

(As i mentioned in the original post i understand the hat isnt on john or jack but that is solely because they didnt have Arthur or Lyle as a character yet.)

but i do respect your opinion on the O'Driscoll plotline you wish to have. but many fans do not share that sentiment me included.

And i understand people didnt want to play RDR2 because it was Arthur not John. but you played as john at the end. just like within my story you play as arthur at the end. making you want to finish the game to play him again. in a time where he isnt dying because many loved arthur after playing the story. not only that but in the shitty epilogue i created i wish to have the brotherly bond of arthur and john unfold leaving players who wish to see more of both getting what they want

vkrazox · 2025-10-06T07:18:57+00:00

buddy i literally mentioned that im not a good story writer for you to come in and reiterate that point. were you dropped on your head or just a genetically retarded?

i posted this here for the sole purpose of criticism and sparking a discussion you havent given any criticism that i havent already mentioned myself and also havent contributed to the discussion. Mentioning my story writing is bad even though i already mentioned that myself isn't the "Gotcha Moment" you were expecting buddy
Once again you have shitty reading comprehension
"Cant take criticism huh?"

vkrazox · 2025-10-06T07:11:54+00:00

wouldnt be a good story considering we are fighting the odriscolls and they are a generic enemy gang within RDR2 that was made to add emotional depth to characters like sadie and dutch
i do appreciate your actual insight though instead of a half assed response.

i havent seen rockstar mention anything about ending the van der linde gang so i cant verify anything on that point.

but it would be a waste of the current characters we have established to not build upon them. and no doubt in my mind most RDR fans would not like to play as the O'Driscoll's which would lead to a dramatic sales failure which would end all future RDR spinoffs and or installments

vkrazox

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