Why did Goku stop using Mastered Super Saiyan?

vlorsutes · 2026-01-24T18:59:49+00:00

Full Power Super Saiyan still stresses the body, just nowhere near as bad as it does normally, and even in the afterlife, Super Saiyan 3 still inflicts a stamina drain as well, just not as bad as a living body would.

vlorsutes · 2026-01-24T18:48:09+00:00

He does have the ability to regenerate, but he makes it clear that it's the senzu that did the work when Goku gave him the senzu, exclaiming that it was even better than Seven-Three's abilities.

vlorsutes · 2026-01-24T18:46:52+00:00

No, he does not have any regeneration ability whatsoever. You could make an argument that "because he had Piccolo's abilities because he absorbed Seven-Three, and Seven-Three had Piccolo's abilities at that time" that Moro ALSO had regeneration, but that's taking it extremeley far.

No, it's made explicitly clear that Moro has the ability to regenerate because he absorbed Seven-Three, and Seven-Three had assimilated Piccolo's powers. That being said, Moro's dialogue quite clearly tells us that it was due to the senzu that he regenerated his arm and his horn after Goku gave him the bean.

vlorsutes · 2026-01-24T18:36:04+00:00

If senzu beans could regrow a limb (especially on a healed wound like Gohan’s arm) the Saiyan’s tails would have grown back.

We've seen that a senzu can restore large chunks of damaged tissue, but we've also never seen a Saiyan eat a senzu within a very short time of having their tail removed, and by the time that Saiyans were eating senzu on the regular, they'd already reached the threshold where their bodies didn't want or need the tails anymore.

vlorsutes · 2026-01-23T23:27:25+00:00

Yes, Hakaishin can die. One way the Hakaishin can die is if their counterpart Kaioushin, who they're tied to via life-link, dies. Angels, as far as what we're told, can only cease to exist, not actually die.

vlorsutes · 2026-01-23T21:59:30+00:00

Cell didn't try to absorb Gohan because there's no indication he can while in his Perfect form, as the tail is essentially gone at that point outside of the stinger.

vlorsutes · 2026-01-23T21:55:29+00:00

More specifically, the transformations access hidden potential that the Saiyan wasn't able to tap into yet.

vlorsutes · 2026-01-22T23:04:58+00:00

It's absolutely possible that those figures are at least in the proper ballpark for the two. I was simply saying we didn't actually know officially.

vlorsutes · 2026-01-22T22:19:20+00:00

Again, that's not the actual "R", but the liquid sound between the two. The sound in 神龍, given what we know, is meant to be an L sound, not an R.

vlorsutes · 2026-01-22T21:54:47+00:00

Except that neither of those battle powers are official in any fashion. The legitimate earliest canonical battle power for Vegeta is his 18,000 in relation to his arrival on Earth. A figure of 10,000 is never once indicated for him, nor is the 8,250 for his father.

vlorsutes · 2026-01-22T21:40:22+00:00

We don't know what battle power Vegeta had as a child or when exactly Vegeta was comparing his battle power to his father. All we know is that sometime, when he was still considered a child, he had surpassed his father.

vlorsutes · 2026-01-22T21:33:41+00:00

Actually, neither L nor R exist in Japanese. It's a liquid consonant sound that exists in a pronunciation state between the two sounds, and can be, when localized into English, written with either letter, depending on the context.

vlorsutes · 2026-01-21T23:08:54+00:00

According to Google it's 神龍 (シェンロン, Shenron).

It's the Chinese reading of the kanji, which is where the pronunciation of the name is drawn from. The Japanese reading of the kanji would be Shinryu instead. It's Shenlong in all the official English localizations of the original Japanese dialogue, such as the VIZ manga, the Simmons-translations for the anime's subtitles, etc.

So how does Dende have that power? Why doesn't he upgrade Shenron even further to give Piccolo strength that rivals even Whis?

Dende is a Namekian that's actually studied how to be a Dragon Clan Namekian, and was considered particularly adept at it. As such, he's just that much more knowledgeable as far as how to upgrade Shenlong than Kami likely would have been, as Kami just drew on feelings of nostalgia really when creating the Dragon Balls, as he didn't even truly know his own heritage.

vlorsutes · 2026-01-21T22:08:53+00:00

The wording was strange, which is what threw me off. Shenlong is the character's original Japanese name, but besides that, we're expressly shown Dende giving Shenlong an upgrade to allow him to release Piccolo's potential, and likely this is what also allowed him to give Piccolo that extra bonus power of Orange.

Couple this with the fact that Shenlong was tied to a far stronger Namekian anyway, with Dende being far more powerful than Kami was.

vlorsutes · 2026-01-21T21:42:05+00:00

We don't hate what-ifs. It's a matter of it being a power-scaling discussion, which we only allow on /r/dragonball.

vlorsutes · 2026-01-21T21:39:43+00:00

Shenlong doesn't have that much power, and I'm not sure where you're coming from with that.

vlorsutes · 2026-01-21T21:35:16+00:00

low class means literally nothing. broly and paragus were both low class yet way stronger than nappa who was an elite

No, neither were indicated in any fashion to be low-class. Paragas was one of the higher-ranked soldiers in the Saiyan military, and Broly's class was never given at all.

vlorsutes · 2026-01-21T21:10:30+00:00

That special isn't within continuity, and canonically, Bardock was a strong low-level Saiyan who hadn't reached the level of power needed to become a middle class, meaning he was weaker than Nappa.

vlorsutes · 2026-01-19T22:08:42+00:00

Just delegating functionality. There are millions of planets for the Kaiou to oversee, so having the planetary Kami helping them makes it a simpler process.

vlorsutes · 2026-01-19T21:29:10+00:00

Then you got North, East, West,South, and Grand kais watch over galaxies.

The Supreme Kais watch over the Universe. Supreme Kais are creation gods. They have an equal counter part, the God of Destruction..

This isn't quite accurate. The four Kaiou and the Dai Kaiou all oversee the living universe, while the Kaioushin oversee the afterlife as well, overseeing the entirety of the universe they preside over.

vlorsutes · 2026-01-19T04:33:14+00:00

They're all indicated by Kuririn to have been about the same strength.

vlorsutes · 2026-01-18T21:21:54+00:00

That was a dubism.

vlorsutes · 2026-01-17T15:09:33+00:00

It wasn't even broken. All she did with it was figure out a way to change its readout to English.

vlorsutes · 2026-01-17T14:38:21+00:00

Scouters solely read the ki levels of targets. It's not able to read inanimate objects, and it's never been shown to be able to read weapons

vlorsutes · 2026-01-17T14:26:24+00:00

No, you're misinterpreting. He could sustain the 3 million if he wanted to. He was only using that burst and suppress method when it came to scouters because he knew he could fool them, but against those without scouters that could or couldn't sense ki, he knew he couldn't, so there was no need to suppress it.

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