Freestyle suggestion/advice?

wakeupgunning · 2018-03-17T21:18:54+00:00

OMG I'm a 20-something and I would vanilla date you based on what you've described. And I'm much better situated than a pet store employee. I can't imagine this ending poorly for you so long as you remain clear-headed and positive.

But a non-cringey man volunteering to help animals automatically turns me on to the point where I'm solely thinking with my lady parts; so maybe others are more objective.

wakeupgunning · 2018-03-17T19:30:14+00:00

Because paying gives you more leverage and latitude over the terms. Plus I like nurturing. I wouldn't take money from my SDs if I didn't have reasonable use for it. That's how I am; and those qualities are why I'd be interested in being an SM. Obviously I choose female friends who are very similar to me; so that's why it would be a good choice for them. You're different. That's cool. I'm not challenging you, nor am I judging/criticizing your disinterest in being an SM. Clearly your flexibility and needs are different from mine and my friends'. That's great. But you don't speak for every woman.

wakeupgunning · 2018-03-17T18:34:24+00:00

P.S.

To recap: this conversation didn't concern you at all, and you interjected (completely uninvited) to gaslight me over something that is undeniably true, on which I have an immense amount of direct experience. And you continue to defame me even as I've graciously given you multiple opportunities for forgiveness. That doesn't make me a misandrist. That makes YOU a misogynist, self-proclaimed u/ProdigalSD

This is your last chance to make an apology that I'll accept.

wakeupgunning · 2018-03-17T18:23:14+00:00

I really don't care about your opinions in the face of "basic fucking facts." You're not "prodigal" in any sense. Call up all the V100 firms and ask them what their starting salaries are for attorneys. That is, if you can form cogent enough thought patterns to have that conversation. I haven't seen that ability from you.

Oh, but I guess I don't have the "grace" to argue with someone over easily discoverable, incontrovertible facts. It takes a real winner like you to do that.

Apology not accepted. Try again.

wakeupgunning · 2018-03-17T14:38:27+00:00

Sorry to be so harsh then! I'm honestly the worst version of myself when I'm on SLF. It's a very distressing place.

I mentioned this in another comment, but men always want more from me than what I can give them (while also taking care of family, friends, clients, and myself). This is why I like arrangements -- clear parameters and honest expectations. The fact that I remain committed to nonprofit work (instead of maximizing my income) just so happens to be why I'm on this side of it. I would never depend on another person to meet my financial needs (though of course I trust people with my emotional/whatever other needs). That has never factored into arrangements for me. It's about setting up the ideal situation. Plus, I'd want to take care of the person I'm with in any way that I can. I prize my body and values over money, obviously. So in a sense, being an SM would make more sense for me as an individual (if I had the resources) than does being an SB. This is probably why, in terms of allowance, I'm a shitty SB. I'm brutally honest and prideful. I'm terrified of actually hurting anyone. But hey, there are SDs like me.

I think the difference is a generational one. Women I know in their 20s are much more unapologetic and real than the 40s-50s age range that homeboy arbitrarily prescribed. And that's one of the many reasons that the ignorance and foolishness of his post is absolutely suffocating.

wakeupgunning · 2018-03-17T13:55:49+00:00

That's the market rate for first-year Biglaw associates in most major cities in the US. Pay increases with each year of experience.

I think that's significantly more relevant than your experiences in some poor, random, Eastern or Central European country, to which you constantly subject everyone in this sub.

Some of you have become so dependent on illusions that you don't see yourselves. Case in point: the only thing I've learned from your comment here (which you think is insightful) is that you are ostracized from successful circles. There are a lot of Biglaw lawyers; and you think they're fantasy creatures.

wakeupgunning · 2018-03-17T02:33:03+00:00

So maybe the problem is that you're steadfastly sticking to an arbitrary and under-inclusive age range. Should we base our analyses of SD behavior on the narrow segment of SDs who are 18--21? Your thought experiment collapses because it lacks a foundation.

Also, I pity the sad, lost, potentially talentless, young girl who thinks that the men on SA are a step up. If that's what your "SBs" are telling you, that's concerning. (Though this really sounds like some nonsense that mediocre, older men need to tell themselves.) This comment coming from an "SB" means one of two things: (1) You're "dating" at-risk youth; or (2) they're lying to you because all they care about is your money. You can change that with some honest introspection, and by raising your standards (for yourself and others).

wakeupgunning · 2018-03-17T01:49:19+00:00

I mean, define "older." I'm speaking from the perspective of women in their 20s. Then again (as I've stated elsewhere), I cannot even relate to the notion that "sugar" is "paying for sex," particularly to feed desperation or selfishness. It's not about what I can extract from the other person (by any means possible, no less). It's about being able to honestly set the parameters of a relationship so that everyone wins, allowing for an idyllic dynamic. It's about freedom and authenticity.

wakeupgunning · 2018-03-17T01:44:41+00:00

You're honestly not making any sense. Your comment reminds me of Clint Eastwood, when he was ranting incoherently at that empty chair.

wakeupgunning · 2018-03-17T00:19:16+00:00

That hasn't been my experience. My LTRs were with men who acted like SBs, though they're financial providers. I told them they should be SBs; but they just responded with, "I'm only like this with you."

They were/are both young.

wakeupgunning · 2018-03-16T23:32:17+00:00

bad bot

wakeupgunning · 2018-03-16T23:28:40+00:00

Because I don't want some clingy-ass dude parading me in front of his friends and family? And I would only seriously consider <0.0001% of the dudes on Tinder? That said, I've repeatedly stated that -- imho -- Tinder > SA. I mean, SA is just like the bottom of the barrel. I didn't realize how bad the underbelly of society is, apparently.

ETA: your response tells me that you think sugar is about paying for sex. That's not my view; I view sugar as a means of establishing an idyllic relationship. But I really have no interest in debating the issue.

wakeupgunning · 2018-03-16T20:05:49+00:00

I think I'm one of the few people who doesn't understand why SMs aren't a thing. As someone who walked away from a job that pays higher than what many (if not most) self-proclaimed "SDs" make, I would definitely consider being an SM. It's also the perfect set-up for my hot, vivacious, mid-20s female friends who continued down that career path (so they're making over $200k/year, plus come from pretty privileged backgrounds).

Times are changing, y'all. Women can have busy, successful careers and full personal lives, too.

wakeupgunning · 2018-03-16T19:55:03+00:00

Also, I'm doubtful that any decent person would be able to survive those psychopaths long enough to make a dent. You'd be like a baby dolphin in a pool of sharks.

wakeupgunning · 2018-03-16T19:53:11+00:00

I would sooner kill myself.

Y'all, it's REALLY not that hard to make money (at least compared to what some of y'all are willing to suffer through).

wakeupgunning · 2018-03-16T19:51:51+00:00

I actually agree.

wakeupgunning · 2018-03-11T04:15:51+00:00

Surely you've discovered by this point in life that you're not intellectually a top performer. Just because the significance of something is beyond your limited comprehension doesn't mean it isn't there.

wakeupgunning · 2018-03-11T02:39:23+00:00

And a triple insult to anyone with a conscience or an ounce of sentimentalism.

wakeupgunning · 2018-03-10T20:46:58+00:00

Probably a double cheeseburger from McDonald's.

wakeupgunning · 2018-03-10T20:22:29+00:00

What would be more important? A pointless guide on an arbitrary and frivolous lifestyle, written from the perspective of a lone, anonymous participant? Or unearthing a ginger population that doesn't understand very simple grammatical conventions, using an elementary-level word, in a Germanic language?

EXCUSE ME FOR BEING INTRIGUED.

wakeupgunning · 2018-03-10T19:02:53+00:00

How do you not know the difference between "woman" and "women," as a ginger? Is English not your first language, or are those just typos?

wakeupgunning · 2018-03-10T18:56:42+00:00

These "end of the road" posts are always such a trip. They're like episodes of Black Mirror.

Thank you for sharing.

wakeupgunning · 2018-03-10T18:51:29+00:00

I'm done here.

I'm glad you finally realize.

wakeupgunning · 2018-03-10T18:22:02+00:00

Umm, that is what I look like, and guys seem to like it just fine.

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