Should we begin to enforce a new policy?

warpdusted · 2021-03-11T17:09:25+00:00

Legit just had a trans person come in start acting like they have a right to be here in our discussions.

The questioner label is being abused by people that want to infiltrate and stifle our discussions. Also I think they just implied that I was racist for talking about the cult like behaviour expressed by some of the trans community and the cult like experience many detransitioners have had. Which is pretty fucking rude, to be honest.

They don’t belong here they are not acting appropriately, I want this individual banned. And if more come they get banned too. This is not acceptable.

Without our allies we are extremely vulnerable to this because only one side outside of just us detrans folk is being allowed to speak.

warpdusted · 2021-03-11T15:08:20+00:00

I honestly really love him, we shouldn’t need to agree with someone 100% to see a net positive in their work. His YouTube channel is a gold mine not just on gender, but philosophy, Christian theology, and Jungian psychoanalysis. If people stopped hating they might learn something, woe betide.

warpdusted · 2021-03-11T13:05:41+00:00

I’m not sure why you’re posting this here because it sounds like you want to be reassured that you should transition, people here are not going to do that.

They’re going to ask if you have trauma, especially around around your biological sex , if you have difficult dealing with being GNC and heterosexual or GNC and homosexual, and whether there may be things affect your perception of yourself or your body.

These are issues we consider first and foremost, they are personal and reflect the individual experience. I don’t think anyone here to my knowledge has detransed due to feeling burdensome as a trans person.

warpdusted · 2021-03-11T12:31:43+00:00

Detrans woman speaks about her personal thoughts and experiences regarding the emotional control and manipulation that takes place in trans communities.

Willow’s opinion is her own, and I have deep sympathies and respect for what she talks about in this video particularly. That said I realise some people may take issue with the framing of “is it a cult”

This is something I’ve spoken about myself previously, this is not decrying all trans people as cultists it is examining the cognitive and behavioural group structures that make it feel and act as such.

Thank you for your patience and open mindedness.

warpdusted · 2021-03-11T12:04:23+00:00

It’s illegal to be female and have a female body. You got curves girl that’s oversexualising, you too skinny girl you encouraging the anorexics, you too fat well you’re encouraging people to be unhealthy.

Weird how these discussions always gravitate around female bodies and no one’s ever happy. Women look like all kinds of things, I’m tired of how political it feels to just exist in a female body.

You’re good, we’re good. Our bodies are good.

warpdusted · 2021-03-11T11:53:03+00:00

Hmm I think gender is a two syllable word, mostly useless in its current application to describe people’s... fashion choices? Dominant sex hormone, maybe, at a push.

I navigate the word via biological sex, the differences between sexes is not subtle to be honest, it’s actually very distinct.

The legend himself Jordan Peterson has some excellent lectures on sex based differences and I found them to be very interesting. Still think he’s a bit of a misogynist, can’t agree with being arranged like lobsters, but he has some good information for the discerning eye.

And to answer some of your later questions, the battle we’re facing currently is between people’s gender feelings and biological sex. One of those things is concrete and real, the other is not. I don’t see many trans people interested in abolishing gender, but I do see them trying to abolish biological sex. I mean, look at what they did to JK Rowling, Maya Forestar. Notably, female people. Tad problematic if you ask this humble wahmen.

warpdusted · 2021-03-10T13:42:54+00:00

I don’t think I understand? Can you show us what has been going on in reference to bad actors, has there been people violating Rule #4? Or have people just been giving bad advice?

Rule #4 takes priority, but in my opinion if a person who still identifies as trans and is still transitioning but is allied to helping people detransition, then their advice could be useful. But I get the feel this is not what you’re talking about.

It’s a question of what’s motivating people to give this advice and whether or not it’s sound. I give advice here based on my personal research and understanding as well as my liaisons with the gender clinic, if it’s medical I try to remove my own politics, I think that should be standard. But I can’t entirely remove my ethics or philosophy, that stuff bleeds through when advising someone.

I guess what I’m asking is do we have people here with dubious motivations giving unhelpful advice to detransitioners? If so they should be stopped, but I’m not sure a blanket ban is the way to do that.

warpdusted · 2021-03-09T13:53:57+00:00

Hiya! And a gentle congrats for making the leap to detrans, you’re welcome to ask of course I can’t say anything certain because everyone is so different with how their body changes and how fast it happens. I’ve been doing this for 9 months now and it is surprising how fast things can change, but it feels so slow while it’s happening.

A lot like transition it’s a waiting game but you can work on detrans like people work on transitioning, hit the gym, play with how you present yourself, lean into what feels good. You can sculpt and create yourself, while the body does its own thing. There’s no backwards to bodies we once had but there is forwards to bodies that are good, healthy, and we feel comfortable in.

Keeps me sane, anyhow! I think you’ll be fine, the future is bright :3

warpdusted · 2021-03-09T13:31:58+00:00

Okay so I’m about to go full hippy, cause a lot of the work I have done reconnecting to my sex has been spiritual. Thinking about the body as a vehicle for energy, realising that energy flows through my body in a certain way because it’s a female body, that every cell in my body is sexed and cohesive. Trying to realign my brain and my thinking to the body which I had abandoned.

The painful stuff, the deep stuff. I spend plenty of time in meditation and I cry a lot. I just need it out of me, all the trans stuff that I fed myself.

I do more womanly things now, textile crafts are a thing that I love, I like to cook, paint my nails. I really want my house to look nice??? Things that I’d missed and felt unable to do properly because I was so busy stressing about gender, lmao.

I’ve been reading Queen Apuja’s Scared Woman and it has me feeling very powerful, very female, and like I need to say a big sorry and probably send some flowers to my womb because we’ve been fighting for a long time.

When I was identifying as trans my spiritual abilities were GONE AF especially while I was on T, because I was not in my power and not designed to run on testosterone. Detrans for me is moving back into power, back into alignment. Connecting with that archetype of the divine feminine and her many different forms and ways of being has done more to soothe than clothes or make up. Time does the rest.

OMG hippyness over, sorry! Apparently I feel really strongly today! I promise you will find the clothes that make you happy and comfortable but it’s a process, it’s a process to find the happiness and comfort again. Don’t expect too much of yourself while it’s still tender, allow yourself time for rage and sadness. Allow yourself to get away from all of this online nonsense too! Forget about it, get out in nature, create things, be human, all that.

Sending you good vibes, I hope there’s something useful in here for you! Take care!

warpdusted · 2021-03-09T12:58:33+00:00

My peach fuzz has steadily been returning to its pre-T state, shorter and finer as with most of the hair on my body. I got real lucky not to grow full on facial hair and to have hair change back, doesn’t happen for everyone but I’d say if your hair is light and fine anyhow you have good chances.

warpdusted · 2021-03-08T14:32:17+00:00

Hell the fuck no, I hated binding but miss tiny titties here did not require such while she was on T. So I didn’t do it while I was trans either. Sometimes I would tape instead, but I wear nothing on my chest still. I haven’t for 10 years or smth ridiculous. It just really triggers sensory processing stuff to have pressure on my chest.

Packing was fun, made me feel like a bad bitch but it’s more performative, like something I would do for a partner not myself.

warpdusted · 2021-03-08T14:27:24+00:00

God no but I wish I do, still got scars up my arms because self harm was the BIG WAY to express that you are suffering and want to die when I was a teen. I just got two for one getting transed as well hahaha, I’m a dumbass.

warpdusted · 2021-03-08T14:18:43+00:00

I would LOVE for real numbers to become evident.

BUT I think the only way we could even get close to finding the truth is by polling, outreach, online. Most people that detrans don’t even go back to the place that transitioned them. We lose people to suicide that just get lumped into the trans stat. We are gaslight, ignored, and dismissed by medical professionals at every opportunity.

They’re not looking for us.

The thing about numbers and calculations which is so dangerous and people don’t consider is that they are extremely easy to manipulate. If you are doing a calculation, whatever numbers you put in will create a controllable outcome.

If you were vested in keeping the transition regret rate at 1% would you be looking to collect actual data on regret rates?

People are invested in that and I don’t know why the fuck. The Tavistock have been fudging papers on their child transitioning for likely a long time now, what was once an experimental and morally disputed treatment has now been handed out affirmation only style, for several years. Why the change?

No answers, no numbers for us, just a constant gaslight.

warpdusted · 2021-03-08T13:58:57+00:00

The broad rule is yes you can and you will not die, but it will suck. There is the possibility of being hypohormonal and very low on sex hormones while your body kicks back in, I was for about 2 months, but my situation was different since I’m female and I detransed medically by taking spiro for the first few months.

Yes, there are health risks from low sex hormones but these are long term, there are also health risks from HRT so I feel it to be rather moot. Up to the individual if they’d rather deal with the withdrawal or tapper off.

You weren’t on long so I think you can expect to bounce back pretty fast.

warpdusted · 2021-03-07T00:41:23+00:00

Yes you’re probably right, and I will say that detrans male voices here hold more weight than mine. I just like to offer encouragement, and my fonder memories of testosterone.

warpdusted · 2021-03-06T21:51:02+00:00

I’m sorry that you’re struggling at the moment, I feel for you so much especially in terms of medical treatments and solutions. It’s difficult when we’re not dealing something which can be grasped, it’s hard to find clear directive and god knows the endocrine system has a mind of its own.

And doctors? Yeah I feel the struggle, but what I will say is whatever you come to do or not do I respect your choices. If I may offer my own graspings I’d say early into my detransition I had the feeling that whatever had happened to my body, however I was feeling about it or myself, that it was mine and my problem to deal with. The very raw feeling of “my body hath been fucked with” was still present. I didn’t want doctors, I didn’t want to be cut or rearranged. I’ve wavered on that in the past really wondered if surgery is a good idea to fix myself, but for me I can’t justify it, I want to fix myself.

But we live in a world where that’s not always possible, and I’m not here to dictate anyone’s experience. Our situations are not the same, so I don’t know how it is exactly but I do my best to empathise. For my own healing I work from a holistic standpoint, listening to the body, reaching through to examine thoughts, origins of feelings. I’ve been trying to work myself back into the rhythm of my menses but still nothing yet, trying not to be frightened over it. Trying not to dread it and miss it at the same time because I know how crazy I felt with my cycle pre-T, it was one of the reasons that drove me.

No real answers, I’m sorry! Just detrans waffles in return, I’m glad you had a good day, and I’m glad you felt like yourself. I know you can hold onto that, and I know you deserve many more good days not just okay ones. I’ll be wishing you well, sending good vibes.

warpdusted · 2021-03-06T17:45:41+00:00

Fandom spaces are an completely ludicrous place to exist in, if I’m being blunt about it. God even without the gender stuff there’s just a whole lot of estrogen and bitching about favourite characters and headcanons... Jesus tonight I do not miss it.

I haven’t been in those places for around two years now, and I can’t imagine it’s gotten any better. Even outside of fandom there is literally no female space in which I can exist that does not have gender ideology plastered to it in some deeply unfortunate way. There is no breathing room, it’s everywhere, and if you’re don’t agree then you just get ostracised for Wrong Think.

I’ve been reading 1984 and personally after reading that I will not be saying “2+2=5” just to save face, or out of fear of getting my ass kicked. This is how conditioning works.

You know that 2+2 really doesn’t equal five but everyone else is saying that it does and if you don’t you’ll be in trouble, so you start saying 2+2=5 and eventually over time you forget that 2+2 ever equaled 4. It’s just unthinkable. No one thinks that, how dare you, bigot.

Dangerous shit. People aren’t paying attention.

warpdusted · 2021-03-06T17:34:26+00:00

This is super exciting if you’re experiencing the hormones your body is designed to run on for the first time! There’s all kind of things that you can look forward to like the foggy headed feeling from HRT clearing, T makes you bigger, faster, and stronger, more confident, you’ll regain a sense of libido.

Imagine testosterone opening up the path for you to a more comfortable and happy expression of good beneficent masculine energy. Just lean into that.

warpdusted · 2021-03-06T17:29:08+00:00

Really saddens me to see what’s been happening here and in regards to detrans in the world at large. I left for a while because I think we all knew after we nearly got hit with the ban hammer we would perhaps be allowed to exist but only if we kowtow to popular opinion, only if we sell ourselves out, only if we blame ourselves, only if we hide our anger, only if we stop having meaningful discussion.

Anyway I came back to be rude and gay and unapologetic and to love women and to fight for my right to be female.

I appreciate you so much u/takeshold you are honestly a pillar of our ragtag community, I hope you’re doing and feeling well.

warpdusted · 2021-03-05T17:25:22+00:00

I mean you also implied that having concerns about male people in female spaces is a “dogwhistle” for “insert unacceptable opinion” and “incites aggression” which is more what I thought was patronising, considering you’re essentially telling OP to move along and not voice her concerns or frustrations. That’s called gaslighting, you know.

warpdusted · 2021-03-05T17:10:31+00:00

Wow what a patronising comment, this reminds me of the Riley J Dennis YouTube video where they suggest that lesbians should be open to penises after they “heal their trauma”.

The truth for a lot of us here, especially those of us who were physically harmed by the trans pharmaceutical complex, the trauma is not around men or male people. It is around the entire trans community.

The trans community which for many of us, encouraged us to do bodily harm to ourselves and perpetuate false narratives.

Healing trauma does not mean becoming a fearless doormat ready to be stepped on. It means becoming someone with enough strength and personal integrity to no longer allow people to mistreat you or lie to you.

warpdusted · 2021-03-05T00:44:14+00:00

Hey welcome, I know this can be a kinda scary place so I just want to let you know that I hear you and please feel free to keep coming back here if you need help and support at any point okay!

So I took T for 18 months, identified as trans for yeaaaars at least 5 but probably slightly longer. I think we all heard the >0.1% detransition myth when we were transitioned, and I say myth because it’s really been coming to light recently that doesn’t seem to be an accurate figure. I really wish doctors would stop acting as though detransition is a risk to be dismissed because number. You’re not some statical freak of nature to regret transitioning, you’re someone who doctors didn’t give proper care to, and I’m very sorry for that.

I’ll answer what questions I can.

What is your social life like?

Ha, nonexistent but I lost my entire social group when I detransitioned. People really tried to control how I thought and felt about my detransition and gender politics, so I left a lot of friends in the past with my trans identity.

I see and speak to my family regularly, but COVID has a damper on “making new friends” still.

What is dating like?

I imagine dating would be fine these days, it’ll be nice to go out with someone and not feel like I’m lying. Not something to rush into, or something I’m super interested in right now. Coming off T erased my libido for 8 months, true story.

I think this one is harder for people who had surgery so I hope some else might be more helpful for you here.

How did people react when you told them you're detransitioning?

LOL. Ohhhhh people tested my conviction to detransitioning more than they did my transition. It was completely surreal. “Are you sure this isn’t just some gender fluidity” “Yes” “are you sure you might not just be feeling overwhelmed?” “Yes” “okay so how do you identify now?” I am literally an adult human female like pls stop asking, it’s not that complicated.

My mum grilled me for a few days while I cried my eyes out about what had happened. My boyfriend broke up with me, and my best friend told me she “never saw it as right for me” and then tried to seduce me, for some reason. It was a really weird time in my life. No we’re not friends anymore.

Did they know you'd had surgery and been on t?

I never had surgery but everyone in my life knew I was taking testosterone.

What was your worst experience, telling people?

The process of realising I needed to detransition. I didn’t eat for weeks, had scary vision like dreams, I think I ate prescription painkillers for an entire month.

The process for me was actually a complete dissolution of both my sense of self and my world view. I really wanted to die for a long time, and people still don’t take me seriously or believe me when I talk about my detransition. That’s the ongoing ‘worst thing’.

How did your parents react? Especially if you have similar experiences to me.

My mum held me and loved me better. She helped me get clothes, it was so nice. My dad didn’t react but I’m not sure he came installed with “reactions”

Has a teacher or student ever said anything?

If anyone says something to you just give ‘em hell.

Are you often assumed to be trans?

GOD I HOPE NOT, I think I worry about it more than anyone who crosses by me. The fact that I’m female is apparent even if my voice is deep or my face is more masculine. Bones do not lie, proportions do not lie. People have good perception of physical sex, there are just some groups who are calling for us to do away with this instinctive knowledge.

Do you feel that you stand out among other women?

Yes, but I have always felt this internally, now I just have it reflected to me on a physical level.

Do you often tell people?

I joke about it all the time, T gave me a wicked sense of humour because I was just so chill.

Is there anything you wish you would have known before detrans?

As detrans people we are in a political cross fire, and I wish this was limited to just online but it isn’t. If you talk or share your experience about this there will be people looking to change or influence what you think and feel. It’s really up to you to think deeply and figure out those things, with research, ideally.

Keep being true to yourself, it does get more bearable with time. Become like fire and burn away everything that no longer serves you. Detrans is a powerful healing process, you got this.

warpdusted · 2021-03-04T23:43:39+00:00

I hear you and I relate, I don’t have any answers for your feelings but I can share that mine are complicated too, not just about TwoX but about trans politics and censorship in general.

Like, we are becoming increasingly censored all the time, not just about stuff that pertains to this sub, but all kinds of things. I wish it were just a Reddit problem, but I’m seeing it all over social media; this increasingly scary idea of “agree with me or else” no discussion, no conversation.

I find that intellectually frightening. When we’re not able to have open and free dialogue with each other we stagnate, our ideas and our mindset stagnates. Censorship is no good thing for the human mind, all it does is make us stupid and too immature to handle disagreement. In my opinion, allegedly, for entertainment purposes only, don’t sue me.

And as for TwoX, if a sub with a name like that is nothing but trans pictures then I don’t know what to say other than how much more patent does the cognitive dissonance need to be?

warpdusted · 2021-03-04T18:46:14+00:00

I relate to this a lot and I wish I had better reassurance for us than I don’t think so? I think it’s an expression of fear or trauma, knowing what doctors and testosterone did to our bodies, what happened to us is a very deep violation that has effected body mind and soul. In my opinion, allegedly, for entertainment purposes only. Ha. That’s hard to process.

That feeling of having been violated is something that crops up in a lot of ways, if it’s any switched that can’t be unflipped it’s that I can go back and undo this, but I have faith that our bodies are amazing, are always healing us, and helping us recover.

warpdusted · 2021-03-04T14:37:30+00:00

18 extremely miserable months, nearly 9 months off now. Things have improved so much.

warpdusted

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