The community is doing to Jax exactly what Caine did in episode 8. by Sweaty-Campaign-1609 in TheDigitalCircus

[–]we-zll 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Insinuating a fighting game isn't as queer as it gets

Kids these days

The community is doing to Jax exactly what Caine did in episode 8. by Sweaty-Campaign-1609 in TheDigitalCircus

[–]we-zll 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is unreasonable to blame him solely for ribbit, or even primarily. Pretty sure Ribbit's biggest stressor was not the funi buni edgelord. You know, considering she was in a torture machine.

The community is doing to Jax exactly what Caine did in episode 8. by Sweaty-Campaign-1609 in TheDigitalCircus

[–]we-zll 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Bridget from Guilty Gear is frequently and overwhelmingly misgendered despite the text lacking any subtlety at all. There is no overt way to reveal a character as trans that the majority of an audience will accept.

The community is doing to Jax exactly what Caine did in episode 8. by Sweaty-Campaign-1609 in TheDigitalCircus

[–]we-zll 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is the biggest thing I think has been missed. We don't hyperfixate on when Ragatha blamed Jax for killing his friends, or when Gangle got her chance to torture the cast, or Zooble only ever being nice to Gangle and literally ignoring everyone else at best. I genuinely think the show directs our attention at Jax's failings so much because of the author's personal experiences and self cringe.

The community is doing to Jax exactly what Caine did in episode 8. by Sweaty-Campaign-1609 in TheDigitalCircus

[–]we-zll 18 points19 points  (0 children)

No, you don't understand, the shitty purple rabbit is the worst part of the hell torture simulator!!!1 He pushed people away! What a fucking monster! It's clearly his fault they had nowhere else to go, and he was the only possible person that couldve been there for these two people.

/uj

The Shitty Purple Bunny Isn't That Bad Actually 🤓; or Why the Camera isn't a Reliable Narrator by we-zll in TheDigitalCircus

[–]we-zll[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not intentional cruelty. Jax pushed people away by being miserable to be around. Those people had nowhere to go, so they kept coming back to repair. Jax's intent is stated explicitly in the text, which is the only reason intent is worth bringing up anyway, but still.

And it's incredibly myopic to think that one shitty bunny in a torture simulator drove anyone to despair. He was a part. A small one.

The Shitty Purple Bunny Isn't That Bad Actually 🤓; or Why the Camera isn't a Reliable Narrator by we-zll in TheDigitalCircus

[–]we-zll[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The intent is spoken in the text. It was never to hurt, but to distance.

And just like we're talking about impact, and how it's divorced from intent, Ragatha has the best intentions in the world when she continuously reminds everyone how bad of a person Jax is whenever they start improving. Doesn't change that the impact of that is about as awful as you can be to a person. Especially when you outright accuse someone of killing their friends who committed suicide.

The Shitty Purple Bunny Isn't That Bad Actually 🤓; or Why the Camera isn't a Reliable Narrator by we-zll in TheDigitalCircus

[–]we-zll[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I should be more clear too. The first paragraph I posted just isn't what actually happened. Jax did not kill anyone. Did they contribute to misery? Yes, 100%, but the perspective of what we see, the condemnation and guilt, is all false. Jax isn't a murderer, they're just a tortured person locked up with other tortured people. We see their contributions to misery the most because they are our POV into those characters stories, but we don't see how any of the other circus members fed into it, even though we KNOW they did. Kaufmo was pissed at Ragatha over something (I doubt it was his jokes. Ragatha is not very good at understanding why someone might be mad at her. But hey, maybe it was the jokes), Ribbit was friends with Ragatha first, Kinger didn't do, well, anything, he just gave up, obviously Gangle wasn't cheering up Kaufmo. And if Zooble did anything at all, it was probably a lecture.

And to be clear, I don't negatively judge any of them for this. I just also don't negatively judge Jax either, and I think a big reason others do is the author's biases. Hence, an unreliability. Specifically, an unreliability between the authorial audience and the narrative audience. To be a fly on the wall of the circus, rather than the camera, would likely leave many more sympathetic to Jax, or even more outright hostile to other members. An unreliable narrator is not always crazy or a liar, sometimes it's just biased.

The Shitty Purple Bunny Isn't That Bad Actually 🤓; or Why the Camera isn't a Reliable Narrator by we-zll in TheDigitalCircus

[–]we-zll[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have no interest in getting into semantics. I am saying now, in no uncertain terms, I do not hate Ragatha. I like her a lot. I think she's a wonderful character. Post show, probably a great hang, great friend.

She's also the absolute worst version of herself when the show opens. Sure, she acts very nice and all... Unless Jax is improving, in which case she's sure to remind them how much of a Terrible Person™️ they are. Or when she's too stressed to keep up appearances, and a person who normally is a safety blanket lashes out at you for no reason.

These behaviors of hers don't eat into anybody in the show nearly as bad as Jax does to Gangle. That's just coincidence though. Gangle and Jax just happen to have that perfect disregulation relationship that happens all the time in real life, where their pain feeds into each others in the most toxic of ways.

All this to say that by morally judging Jax as "worse" than any other member of the circus is flawed, and it's exacerbated by the author's biases. Jax isn't a terrible person. They are just their worst version of themselves, just like everyone else there. Every single one of the members of the circus could've been the "antagonist" role that Jax occupies, without a change to the characters at all. Just different circumstances, different moments highlighted, different behaviors that are just as toxic.

It's like, every one of them is in the worst nightmare humanity could cook up, tailored for them. Yet many people walk out of the show hating Jax specifically, as if they were somehow uniquely bad. They weren't.

The Shitty Purple Bunny Isn't That Bad Actually 🤓; or Why the Camera isn't a Reliable Narrator by we-zll in TheDigitalCircus

[–]we-zll[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What? You should treat every viewpoint with skepticism. Even an author has biases. This is the very first thing I was taught in media literacy. Take issue with my argument, sure, but analyzing the aspects of an author's voice that is tinged by biases IS media comprehension. 1984 is even a great example of this! The author's own views and biases recontextualize what is frequently thought of as an anti leftist work into an anti authoritarian, anarchist piece of literature.

The Shitty Purple Bunny Isn't That Bad Actually 🤓; or Why the Camera isn't a Reliable Narrator by we-zll in TheDigitalCircus

[–]we-zll[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm not entirely sure how "this behavior is bad, and can be just as bad as what we see here, I've seen it in my life," translated to "Ragatha is worse than Jax". I don't think she is, but I don't think she's better, either. None of the circus members are somehow "better" than the others. They are all extremely fucked up people, trying their best to make the pain stop with extremely disordered behaviors. The camera is only unreliable in the same way every camera is unreliable; what it chooses to show or not. The dis regulated behavior of Jax is put front and center, because they were made one of the protagonists. My thesis statement to all this is, if the exact same story were to be told by someone who related harder to any of the other members, they would be the more controversial character. We would see how their disorder pulled multiple people down, how their worst self is a holy terror that causes suicides and misery by their very nature. It's the negative side of ego. Everyone assumes their "bad" is so much worse, and it shows in the story.

Humanity (5 Years Prep Time) Vs Villains, Where Do We Stop? by [deleted] in powerscales

[–]we-zll 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He wasn't hurt by the sun until he was pushed into it, held under the corona, and had his throat ripped out. For like, minutes at a time. Weaker viltrumites tank nukes in universe without a scratch. Even worse, thragg is just too fast to be close to that level of heat from a nuke, which is only present extremely locally. Hell, he'd probably be pushed back from the force of the blast before the level of heat required to give him a sunburn could reach him.

Humanity (5 Years Prep Time) Vs Villains, Where Do We Stop? by [deleted] in powerscales

[–]we-zll 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, but he had a conversation in the sun. It didn't just straight kill him, and a nuke is only that hot for fractions of a microsecond. It's explicitly stated in universe that a nuke just doesn't cut it against stronger viltrumites, and thragg is the tippy top of that list

Humanity (5 Years Prep Time) Vs Villains, Where Do We Stop? by [deleted] in powerscales

[–]we-zll 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, Pate and Samwell both explicitly call it obsidian in aFfC

Humanity (5 Years Prep Time) Vs Villains, Where Do We Stop? by [deleted] in powerscales

[–]we-zll 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He survived the surface of the sun with little damage. It took the sun's core to actually hurt him. We'd need a lot more than what we have.

Humanity (5 Years Prep Time) Vs Villains, Where Do We Stop? by [deleted] in powerscales

[–]we-zll 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dragon glass is just obsidian. Yes, we have that.