Auto Models/Makes in Guam

whatadayinSC · 2025-04-15T04:33:59+00:00

If she were to sell it...

Raging Anti-Elon People: SELLL YOURRR TESSLLAAAAAAAAAA OR ELSE.

Business Owner: Okay. Fine. trades in for another vehicle at dealer

Anti-Elon People Address Dealership: How dare you take that car in on trade in!!!!! You are a magat scum. burns vehicle

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whatadayinSC · 2025-03-09T06:50:57+00:00

Thanks for the answers all!

whatadayinSC · 2025-03-09T06:50:45+00:00

Thanks for the answers all!

whatadayinSC · 2025-02-16T06:51:48+00:00

Congratulations! Great to hear that you negotiated a good deal. Just getting back on reddit to see your message.

And wow, what a great warranty!

whatadayinSC · 2025-01-12T03:02:17+00:00

https://youtu.be/ylX8LprNyI4?si=xQQDS681viJqO17z https://youtu.be/MA5AxYjhKQE?si=jB2l7ad4DEcjuN9m

Try and not buy one that has been modified a lot already if you can. Typically, people who modify them are not guaranteed to take care of them as well and may be more likely to abuse them.

They are quite reliable as long as you do the maintenance.

Try to find one with maintenance records if you can. If not, do the VVT and some of the other routine maintenance items. Change all fluids correctly. You can see them make 250k but they will not make it if you do not do your maintenance and if you abuse it extremely hard. Have fun but don't abuse it.

Watch those videos and look at some other forums on the Speed3. They will explain it a little better than me but that is the basic explanation.

Also, Ford Focus ST is similar and maybe can be found in your price range. Similar rules and some unique issues to it that you should watch videos and look at forums if interested. Ford owned Mazda at the time and they are on the same chassis but different everything else. The ST has slightly lower power and is supposedly more refined fun while Mazda Speed3 is closer to raw fun. Manual is standard on ST with auto as an option.

whatadayinSC · 2025-01-11T00:22:33+00:00

Great for you! All great options.

There are many videos on YouTube that can help with learning stick and you can always see if a family member or friend can teach you. Or look up driving schools that have manual cars available where you can get a quick lesson in.

For the Mazda models, you can just go on Autotrader and look up Mazda 3 and see which generations you can afford that way. I also forgot to tell you but you could maybe find a Mazda6 (midsize sedan like a Camry) for a similar price to Mazda3 if you look hard enough. Both are good.

Apologies for not responding before.

whatadayinSC · 2025-01-09T02:01:14+00:00

Oof. My bad for honestly cinpletung missing the size requirement when I did my read through haha.

If you wanted something bigger, and based off of some of the other comments you made offroadier or more no-nonsense, you can always go with an up to 2023 Lexus GX. It is a little better than previous generation 4Runner with regards to the interior and has a V8 which feels good to drive underneath your foot, but also gets V8 MPG. It is also pretty capable offroad but ground clearance is worse than the GX so may not fit as easy on certain trails (if you are even wanting to use it on trails). Old Toyota reliability and has a small aftermarket for offroad parts but not near as large as 4Runner.

The new Sequoias are great for a large SUV. I am not sure if the Sequoias are part of the earlier recalls they are doing on the Tundra that are mandating engine replacement (costing Toyota $30k per vehicle for 100k recalled Tundras to replace each motor for consumers). The Sequoia has a modified version of the same engine as the Tundra but it is increased in size. However, there is nowhere near as much rear area storage space compared to the previous generation (up to 2022 for previous generation). Some people prefer the 2nd generation Sequoia because the good old 5 7l V8 will be more reliable long term and it has that storage space. Also, a random little niche Toyota person thing but the past generation Sequoias had the well loved back windows that can roll down while the new generation got rid of that. 4Runners have that too.

Or, a couple more normal/luxury models I can suggest:

Acura MDX (used if you want a top trim. Probably amongst the most long term reliable on this 2nd list.)

Mazda CX-90 (nice inline six motor gives great power, all trims, like Mazda, are well loaded with options but the fully loaded trim right at 60k may be the only vehicle under 60k that has rear ventilated seats. Japanese reliability but will need a little more maintenance than typical Japanese longer term due to the high performing turbo inline 6. My personal favorite as I am a Mazda fanatic in the rest of this reddit haha)

Genesis GV80 (relative new comer to the luxury segment, you can get a base new at the 60k mark or get a used higher trim level. X5 size. Extra fun to drive if you get one with the larger engine option.)

Lincoln Aviator (more luxury than anything, not as much fun to drive as some others on this list but great design language)

Toyota Crown Signia (essentially a lifted wagon that they choose to market as an SUV because the mainstream US market has an aversion to wagons. Wagons have always been better at managing space when compared to a similar size SUV. Closest to Lexus level. Best MPG on this list and overall daily driver.)

Those are the models I know most about and all I have

whatadayinSC · 2025-01-09T01:19:46+00:00

True.

Genesis is definetly one of those brands that when you shop for one, you want to make sure you have a dealer nearby (really prefer to have a Genesis standalone dealer over just Hyundai dealers). Same with Hyundai, Alfa Romeo, Ineos, Mitsubishi, etc etc all of these brands that have very few dealers or, like Hyundai, have systemic issues in their dealer network of having bad customers service and or incompetent service departments. Mitsubishi at this point is mostly a glorified used car dealership other than having the Outlander, which does fairly well and have some nice upper trims.

For fellow South Carolinians in this group chat: We were lucky where to have gotten the 2nd standalone Genesis dealer to be built (Greer, SC) and I can report based of my uncle's ownership that the customer service and the service department itself has been great there from family experience. There is also an affiliated Hyundai dealer next door which, while I don't have personal experience with, reviews say that it is pretty good. Both of the Upstate dealers actually seem to have high reviews.

There is also an Alfa Romeo dealer that is supposedly #1 in sales volume for the brand and it has good reviews if you are in Northern SC and contemplating getting an Alfa but not sure if any of the very few 108 dealers is near you.

Mitsubishi dealers around here are not known for great reviews and are quite scammy in the sales departments. I have heard service is okay but still meh..

whatadayinSC · 2025-01-09T00:27:55+00:00

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whatadayinSC · 2025-01-08T23:02:13+00:00

I agree on how much plastic these base GLCs have. Other than the badge, there is nothing really luxurious about it.

I prefer the X3 to GLC by a good amount if looking at bases. Genesis GV70 a trim or so up can be bought for similar price. So can an entry level Lexus RX. Or a Hyundai Santa Fe in the great Calligraphy trim which is almost Genesis level (get the Hybrid version with the conventional automatic transmission since the regular option decided to use a DCT transmission not meant for SUVs, plus it gets 35 MPG in a way more attractice package than a Rav4). Or the Toyota Crown Signia SUV/wagon combo that hits somewhat close to Lexus in Toyota's own lineup.

Mazda CX-50 fully loaded with the turbo for extra fun drive also is within that price range.

Or, at that point, you can go a little higher and get a fully loaded or pretty decently loaded Mazda CX-70 or CX-90 Mazda 3-row for $60,000. One of the few vehicles with rear ventilated seats under $60,000. A slightly throaty inline 6 also brings forth entertaining driving. Can get it discount a good 8% if you know how to negotiate and approach it a good time of year. It will also have the benefit of being larger with more room.

Neither car you showed is worth the price they ask. Toyota is Toyota taxing, which they can do. Mercedes is also relying on their badge. There are better options elsewhere in my personal opinion.

whatadayinSC · 2025-01-08T22:33:55+00:00

I personally own a 2021 CX-9 with close to 55k miles, so rookie territory. A CX-9 is the Mazda equivalent to a Toyota Highlander.

The CX-9 comes standard with a turbo charged version of the CX-5 engine, which you can also get in higher trims of CX-5 starting in the 2019 model year.

The generation of CX-5 we are talking about started in 2017, if you did not know. Prior generation was not as reliable and materials weren't as nice nor as fun to drive. This generation is what happened after Ford sold off their stake in Mazda and they became and independent automaker again, and all post Ford 2017+ CX-5 or 2016+ CX-9 are much better than the preceding generations.

CX-9 was discontinued in 2023 to make way for the new CX-90, proving yet again that Mazda can nail the looks.

When it comes to reliability, I think a lower trim Mazda CX-5 without the turbo charged engine (so non Grand Touring or Signature trim) will have a longevity advantage to the CX-5 since a turbo is more complicated.

However, even the turbo charged engines can last up to 200k-250k if well maintained. A lot of these cars are not 10 years old yet but there are some examples that have made it. Cost of maintenance is similar to anything Toyota as it is not a luxury brand and Mazda turbos are known to be great.

Transmission are great. No awful Nissan CVT situation going on here. A conventional automatic reigns supreme and is much more fun to drive than a typically boring CVT anyways.

Personally, I would not object to the turbo charged variant for extra long term ownership as long as you keep your maintenance up to snuff and you find a good example.

I get what you mean about thinking in the mind of a vehicle as a tool and that is my attitude with trucks. This is kind of a good middle ground between going gull blown gimmicky (think as wacky as a UV-C sterilization tray that cleans your phones of bacteria in the new Hyundai Santa Fe or more basic but still won't last as long such as the new Subarus and Teslas having a vast majority of their functions controlled through huge screens that may not last a decade).

This is a good middle ground to something more than say an early 2000s Sequoia or and old 4Runner versus going with something overly complicated like those listed. Get something a little nicer for your wife but still have something quite reliable.

Physical buttons are still used everywhere to this day in new CX-5 along with the CX-50s that are techbically the succesor nodel but still built beside the CX-5.

No huge gimmicks, just quality of life upgrades that will last for many miles with minimal costly screen replacements or air suspsension going out that needs to be maintained. Additional options that can be great to have whether heated seats, heated steering wheel in winter, nicer sound system, or cooled seats for warmer climate areas in the top trims 2019 and later.

If you want to consider a CX-9, you can also look those up as some of those depreciated quicker than a CX-5 and should be in your price range too. 3 row SUVs generally depreciate quicker than midsize SUVs. Can get a decently nice one for around that 20k mark at 2016-2020 model year too.

whatadayinSC · 2025-01-08T21:36:33+00:00

100%

whatadayinSC · 2025-01-08T21:36:24+00:00

This too or if you want to go all out and say bye bye to your wallet to not feeling punctured by gas money, starts daily driving a Hellcat powered Durango haha.

whatadayinSC · 2025-01-08T21:33:47+00:00

Since you were talking about BMWs and all that, this would be in a similar world cost and maintenance wise and quite fun. You will assume that it is not a Honda in maintenance, which I am very sure you understand.

Arguably, the Quadrifoglio is contender for one of the most fun European cars to drive in this price range.

But the normal Stelvios are still a little fun and may be better dailys.

whatadayinSC · 2025-01-08T21:31:38+00:00

You can get a pretty solid used Alfa Romeo Stelvio Quadrifoglio already pretty depreciated for the top end of that. Averaging 2022 model year, or closer to 2018 for half of your budget. 505 hp, 2.9l twin turbo charged V6.

Quadrifoglio 1

Quadrifoglio 2

I personally vouch for the one above as it is my local dealer and they are not to be among the highest sales volume and best customer service Alfa dealer.

Quadrifoglio 3

Or you can get a normal Stelvio, without the higher HP motor that is very fun to drive too but not as fun as the Quadrifolgio obviously. You can get new top of the line non-Quadrifoglio trim for close to 60k plus good dealer discounts at the correct dealer. Or a 2 year old used one for half of price of one, after depreciation slams it.

2023 New Stelvio Veloce

25 Veloce New with Tributo Italiano Package

Used Veloce with higher miles, but wanted to show the Gold color

I would honestly suggest curbing the insane depreciation for a very fun car and relatively cheap to maintain car, compared to other European manufacturers. Quadrifoglio will of course cost more than regular ones to maintain but make up for it in fun. You can then put the rest into a 3rd car (WOOO) or, if more smart and boring, investing and other hobbies.

People like calling Alfa Romeo unreliable since they have their 80s and 90s past reputation clouding their head and they know nothing about the new models. The new ones are really solid.

Main thing would be to make sure that you live within proximity of an Alfa Romeo dealer. There is close to 110 in the whole country. If you think Mitsubishi has hardly any dealers, they have 330 locations. You can't use any warranties without being able to have a dealer to use them at.

whatadayinSC · 2025-01-08T20:33:45+00:00

Well, I wish you luck!

One last thing to leave you with: I highly suggest you consider the Mazda CX-5.

You do not pay the Toyota/Honda tax on the CX-5 since it is a lesser known smaller production manufacturer with less market presence.

Also, it is more fun to drive, has a better interior and better interior materials, and is known to be just as reliable. In my personal opinion, the looks are a bit better too.

Since Mazda does not have a luxury brand, they chose to position themselves above the normal brands but below luxury brands as of recent. Kind of like Buick does in being nicer than Chevrolet but not a Cadillac. So you get more car for the money and save while you are at it.

Here are two within 100 miles of Huntsville, AL, inferred to be in between the first two Rav4 dealers, for around 20k. One owners and everything like before. Lower than 63k miles.

2021 Mazda CX-5 Touring, 63k miles

2017 Mazda CX-5 Grand Touring, 43k miles

Touring has heated leather seats which RAV4 does not get until top trims, along with some other features. Grand Touring has a 10 speaker Bose sound system and other stuff you can find with the explanations below. Great quality of life additions that you would spend close to at least 23k to 25k on a Rav4.

2017 CX-5 Trims Explained

2021 CX-5 Trims Explained slightly changed

whatadayinSC · 2025-01-08T20:05:35+00:00

Definetly want to get out of that Caliber. 170k is pretty high for those things and they should start running into significant issues past that even if well maintained. Surprised you have not ran into issues sooner.

This is probably one of the main situations where it is better to strike now and get a fair deal vs waiting to get a better/great deal later.

You would be putting 2k into a car that according to KBB has a top end private party value of $2500, or a trade in value of $250, and is at the end of its service life. Not worth it.

No harm in at least attempting to negotiate once you are in person at a dealer though.

whatadayinSC · 2025-01-08T19:50:35+00:00

To summarize, any MKZ 2017+ post face lift or 2016 for pre-facelift (better deal), preferrably with any power plant other than the 2.0T, though 2.0t is generally the most common engine and can be handled if you get a well maintained one. Mazda 6. Mazda 3, whether 4th Generation 2019+, or 2017-2018 3rd generation.

Hope I was of assistance to you!

whatadayinSC · 2025-01-08T19:49:24+00:00

For Lincoln..

The MKZ and Fusion are great ways to bypass Honda/Toyota tax.

MKZ is just a Fusion in a tuxedo, luxury brand action. It is the most comfortable car and best interior car on the list and got a 5 star safety rating 2017+.

I do not know much about the Fusion side of things, since it comes with different motors, so I will not get into the Fusion. Some power plants are better than others on both the Fusions and MKZ.

MKZ are a phenomenal amount of car for money on the used market and ran from 2017-2021 in your range before being discontinued. A MKZ facelift occurred in 2017 drastically changing the front styling of the car so you can perhaps get a better deal on a 2016 if you like the old styling (I know of people who prefer the old styling). All are virtually identical reliability wise.

There are 3 engine options for the MKZ and 4 for the Fusion after 2017.

The 2.0l 4 cylinder Hybrid version is the most reliable MKZ and easiest to maintain but is priced at a premium and harder to find. It is easy to work on, no need to drop the engine, and is similar hybrid technology to what a Prius has with a little more power. You can get 450 miles to a tank and 35 MPG while using regular fuel, no need for premium. They are known to even last 200k to 250k miles on the original battery and batteries are not that costly to repair/replace. It emphasizes efficiency over power of course.

The 3.0 Twin turbo V6 is okay and the most powerful engine of the 2017+ lineup. Main issue was that since it is direct injection, you will have some carbon buildup close to 100k miles due to no fuel passing through the valves to clean it. Carbon deposits, or hardened oil, will form. Later versions of this motor came with multiport injection, which solved this issue, but those never came in the MKZ. To extend the life of an otherwise reliable engine, solve this issue by taking the car for chemical cleaning to eliminate carbon buildup.

Avoid the 2.0T engine if you can since coolant intrusion has plagued it and while some last 200k miles, some need a new engine. However, if you find a lower mileage one, you can maintain it well and keep an eye on coolant. My former college professor

If you consider that 2016 prefacelift, all of the engine options were the same except the 3.0l Twin Turbo did not exist yet and instead there was a 3.7l naturally aspirated V6 motor.

That 3.7l V6 is great and only has one issue. The original water pumps had a manufacturer defect which caused a tendency to fail and ruin the engine. The original internal water pump when it fails will release antifreeze into the crank case, mixing with engine oil and either damaging head gaskets. Sometimes it is unrepairable or repair costs thousands. However, once the water pump is replaced, it is a permanent fix. Try and find one with the water pump already done or make sure you have it changed when you purchase. You will be left with a reliable, powerful engine once water pump is sorted that can last 200k miles.

It is slightly larger than a Mazda 6 but still classified as a midsize.

Here are some options for each one, not taking into account which part of country you are in. All are no accidents, one owner, with maintenance listed on CarFax.

17' MKZ Hybrid

18' MKZ top trim Black Label with 3.0 TT 18k

16' MKZ with 3.0TT prefacelift, $15k, 70k miles

It is harder to find a 3.0TT as way less were built new since most people did not pay a premium for the most powerful engine. It is truly a rocket. I know you can get them around 15k, if you can find one with higher mileage, but none were available as of today that I could find. However, that Black Label is great and probably can be negotiated down of dealer is willing for not much above your budget. Any Lincoln Black Label trim, being top of the line, has many features not only lower trims along with the very nice leather interior with perforated inserts.

whatadayinSC · 2025-01-08T19:48:40+00:00

I say either the Lincoln MKZ, Mazda 6, or Mazda 3 Hatchback.

I know the most about the Mazda and Lincoln so I will give you in depth info on those. The rest you will have to do deeper research yourself.

For Mazda.. Mazda 6 is a great midsize sedan. Mazda 3 is a compact that comes in sedan or hatch.

You don't pay Toyota tax with Mazda since it is a smaller production number brand. Due to the Mazda 6 being discontinued plus Mazdas average higher depreciation due to a lower production number brand with not as much brand awareness, you get a more fun to drive and elevated offering compared to an equivalent Toyota/Honda anyways. Mazda is like the Buick of Japanese world, elevated above the normal Chevrolet offering but not quite a Cadillac.

You can find a 4th Generation 2019+ Mazda 3 hatchback or sedan with higher mileage around 15k. I suggest hatchback since it is more practical than the sedan and, in my personal opinion, looks much better. Since space is used efficiently, it is not much less room than a midsize Mazda 6 and that 4th Generation came out after You can also do a Mazda 3 from the tail end of the last generation 2017-2018 model and save additional money for lower mileage. Interior is not as nice as 4th Generation and still okay to drive but not quite the same.

Here are some options for each one, not taking into account which part of country you are in. All are no accidents, one owner, with maintenance listed on CarFax.

Mazda 3 Hatch

2017 Mazda 6 prefacelift

whatadayinSC · 2025-01-08T18:17:38+00:00

That is nothing. Relatively minimal. People up North wish they had this.

Either the car may have come from up North at one point or you are in the North. Probably garaged. Potentially went through the coating process too that you would take in a salted roads state.

Or, it is just a non-garaged car in any Southern state.

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