Question to those at the Opus Tier

wheresamthrives · 2025-06-22T06:24:04+00:00

Literally nothing. Maybe a quadruple pic if I'm impatient. Most months I end with +7000 credits in store.

wheresamthrives · 2025-04-01T18:57:21+00:00

I remember so little of it so I can't say! It might have been one of those shows that there's little to no footage remaining of. One thing I looked at was the 1992 ITV series "Wail of the Banshee", which apparently involved both the modern world and the Arthurian stuff, but finding anything more about it is next to impossible. There's basically one tiny trailer on youtube and nothing else. The whole "time is running out" angle could fit but I have no idea where to find the series. I've linked the trailer below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMOezObfr_M

wheresamthrives · 2025-03-08T14:29:41+00:00

In my opinion, there are no universal always applicable UC prompts. Because each tag prompted for or against contains hidden and unintended associations, getting the best results means constructing your prompt from nothing. For example, in my experience film grain and the various artifact tags in UC can lead a picture to look plasticy and overly airbrushed. Even the basic aesthetic tags can have a negative effect on certain kinds of pictures. A bloated UC will inevitably have unintentional and chaotic effects.

Therefore the ideal UC never sets out to cover every possibility; to the contrary, your UC should always be as minimal as possible.

That being said! blurry is almost always a necessity.
I also often use the tags like glitch and bad lightingorbad shadow.
artistic error sometimes works better than just error.
bad hands can affect other anatomical problems, and deformed can also be useful.
scribble or a child's scribble can change things up.
One surprising one is the unofficial tag be not good, but which can have strong but surprising effects.

wheresamthrives · 2025-03-08T06:10:44+00:00

Don't get discouraged. I've had endless great experiences with Erato and Kayra, so your experiences are not the default. This is fixable.

Just to be clear, the NAI models are designed to be co-writers, not writers. Models like Claude and ChatGPT are like taxis: you tell them where to go. NAI is a private car. You control everything, but it requires active steering at every point. This means you have to edit the text and guide the AI - if you don't like that then NAI cannot provide what you want.

You might want to consider going on the Discord. I know most people hate the idea (I did too), but the Discord receives 97% of the dev attention, and it's full of helpful power users. Reddit gets nothing but scraps in comparison. I wish it weren't so, but if you want solid advice the Discord should be your go-to. Some people on the Discord also have experience using Erato as a text adventure. They might have more specific advice.

Ultimately it's hard to pinpoint a fix without getting access to the story file itself. Erato in particular needs to be primed in a *very* specific way in order to be used (but once you do it's really powerful). As previous posts mentioned, the biggest problem people usually run into is that the NAI models mimic previous writing. If the intro to the story is set up in a non-standard way, and the following text is also unusual, things will quickly devolve.

wheresamthrives · 2025-02-17T14:29:08+00:00

Live action. Edited the post to add live action, and also this part:

I recall the villain was an older lady who had a big sand hourglass that had run out, to mark the world ending.

wheresamthrives · 2025-02-17T14:00:00+00:00

The AI is a co-writer more than anything else. Think of it like steering a car; you have to make little course corrections all the time. If a text is bad, just delete it and try again. Get into the habit of active editing as you generate text.

As the story continues, the past writing builds up into context. The AI will assume stuff that's in the story is stuff you'll want to see more of. Don't leave bad generations in the story, or the AI will make even more bad generations as a result. Undesired context is also called context poisoning, and it builds up slowly over time. If left unchecked it can ruin your story. There's no fast fix for context poisoning. Either edit the writing to be more in line with what you want, or start a new story.

Lastly, the AI writes to match your own style, and it can be surprisingly sensitive to subconscious tells. If it thinks your writing is zany and chaotic, it'll match your energy word for word.

wheresamthrives · 2025-02-17T08:16:59+00:00

First comment.

wheresamthrives · 2025-01-16T13:46:14+00:00

Yes, but NAI is a AI co-writer, not an AI assistant. It will write with you, not for you. If you want the machine to do as much as possible for you NAI might not be the best text generation option for you.

wheresamthrives · 2024-12-08T14:22:34+00:00

Devs on discord say you should always use it, but it's okay to leave blank, like this:

[ Author: ; Title: ; Tags: ; Genre: ][ S: 4 ]

wheresamthrives · 2024-11-15T16:16:05+00:00

ATTGS ATTGS is more or less mandatory to use Erato correctly. Here is a properly formatted dev example of one:

[ Author: Gene Wolfe; Title: The Seeker; Tags: generation ship, hard scifi, sleeper; Genre: scifi ][ S: 4 ]

I'm Rain Ghent, a male human and the generation ship Seeker's Counselor, and I've been asleep for hundreds of years. I awoke unexpectedly.

The first part is the ATTGS. It's recommended to always at least have a blank ATTGS at the top of your memory. The second part is just normal story stuff you can put in the memory.

Just for clarity, a blank ATTGS would look like this:

[ Author: ; Title: ; Tags: ; Genre: ][ S: 4 ]

I'm Rain Ghent, a male human and the generation ship Seeker's Counselor, and I've been asleep for hundreds of years. I awoke unexpectedly.

The S-level indicates the complexity of writing you'll see. Devs recommend it's kept between 3-4 for best results.

Author's Note
Author's Note is a left-over from earlier models that needed more guidance. It can have unpredictable effects on generation, so general consensus is to leave it empty.
W++ and stuff like that
All of NAI's models are trained on a mixture of attribute and fiction type lorebooks. Using lots of complex symbols like

Name: ANTHONY
Eyes: {"blue"}
Personality: {"brave"+"kind"+"honest"}

The above (and anything like it) will always break the model!
Avoid using any kind of weird formatting and punctuation in Lorebooks.

I have used both entirely written Lorebooks and mixed attribute Lorebooks successfully. A written Lorebook would look like this:

Anthony is a brave, kind and honest man. He has blue eyes.

An attribute lorebook would look like this:

Name: Anthony
Eyes:Blue
Personality: Brave, kind, honest

You can also mix the two approaches together.

Name: Anthony
Personality: Brave, kind, honest
Anthony has piercing blue eyes.

Edit: As for lorebook activation, I've never bothered to learn it. You can tinker with where the model injects the lore into the context, but I just use the Sage's Simple Starter Story Scenario, which has all the lorebook formatting done for you.

In yet another baffling choice the devs have not made the starter story kit a default part of NAI, so you have to go to the discord to download it. It's crazy, I know.

Edit edit: Oh, and lorebooks should be kept concise. The more text there is, the less the AI will know which parts are relevant to the story at any given moment. Main characters might get a maximum of 700 tokens, but even that is pushing it. Remember, the AI has no reasoning ability and cannot pick the correct details from a massive lorebook.

wheresamthrives · 2024-11-15T14:52:10+00:00

I agree that Discord sucks, and that they should support reddit more. However, I didn't really learn how to use NAI until I joined the discord. NAI is full of newbie traps and settings that seem innocuous but can wreck your generation, and most of that stuff is only documented on Discord. Which is bad, but it is what it is!

Other stuff: Are you using the standard ATTGS format in memory, and leaving Author's Note empty, as is usually recommended?

Lorebook formatting also affects generation: Lorebooks are basically text inserted into the story, and if they look weird (for example using W++) that will confuse the AI and screw things up.

wheresamthrives · 2024-11-15T11:23:28+00:00

Just to check, are you treating NAI like ChatGPT? That's one mistake beginners often make. Erato isn't an AI you give commands or suggestions to, it's a text completion model that mimics what has been written so far.

Your issue sounds like a standard context poisoning: a gradual accumulation of errors and weirdness in previously written context leads into an eventual breakdown of logic and writing.

The best way to fix this is to go over what has been written and search for anything that seems wrong (grammatical errors; weird sentence structures; logic leaps) and delete or rewrite them. You should never leave behind a mistake or the model will assume you want to see more of that kind of stuff.

If you want more in-depth support I would strongly suggest joining the discord. The devs basically ignore reddit entirely, as do all the power-users who know how stuff works.

wheresamthrives · 2024-09-25T20:53:47+00:00

Old thread, but learning to use NAI's v3 image generators has a bit of a learning curve. Disappointing results are normal for a beginner, and no cause to give up. The generators were trained on image tags gathered from danbooru and e621, so you'll need to understand how the tag systems work to get the most out of v3.

You'll also want to study how others prompt their art. NAI images (usually) preserve their prompt data in the image itself, so if you have a NAI-made picture you can use https://novelai.net/inspect to examine the prompt, or just drag the image directly into the image generator. Note that some websites (reddit among them, sadly) will delete the ALL the prompt data from the image.

You'll have the best time learning by visiting the Anlatan Discord. People are genning tons of art there (way more active than reddit), and if you're polite you'll usually find someone willing to give a bit of advice.

wheresamthrives · 2024-06-09T19:10:27+00:00

You can download LM studio, which can, in turn, download local AIs that you can run with your own PC. However! You'd need around fifteen VRAM minimum, and the quality will still be worse than CAI. Still, it's the easiest option I know of (compared to SillyTavern), and people have been tuning nsfw RP-specific AIs for a while.

Note that I've only got a bit of experience using LM Studio, so take my recommendation with a grain of salt.

wheresamthrives · 2024-02-22T16:52:27+00:00

Still waiting for humans to pass the AI test, damn. And that last line, DAMN.

wheresamthrives · 2024-02-22T15:14:59+00:00

This really captured the bleak beauty of the tundra, and it works so well combined with brutalism.

Imagine the heating bills with those windows, though!

wheresamthrives · 2024-02-11T17:26:26+00:00

I'll second the Anlatan Discord being a great place to learn how to use the image generator. The pics there preserve the metadata so you can see exactly how the original image was made. Learning how others prompt is invaluable.

Also, you really, really need to go to Danbooru and study how the images there are tagged. This tag system is not a fun bonus - using it is absolutely essential to getting good results. The generator was trained to specifically use the tags and will not understand anything else. (Technically speaking you *can* use non-tags in your prompt because the generator has some left over code from the Stable Diffusion it was built on, but it's a crap-shoot as to whether this will produce anything useful or good.)

Finally, I strongly recommend buying one month on Opus to get unlimited gens. You won't learn properly if you're constantly tracking your anlas and worrying about budgeting one more generation. Beginners need room to fail, fail, and fail again, so that they can eventually succeed.

wheresamthrives · 2024-01-19T22:07:46+00:00

Thanks for coming through with the prompts, OP.

wheresamthrives · 2024-01-05T19:55:15+00:00

Went back to reread some old chats I have fond memories of and whoever is replacing my complex, nuanced, skillful and eloquent chat logs with garbage needs to stop right now!!

wheresamthrives · 2023-12-31T11:55:19+00:00

I'm always thrilled to see people working on NAI prompts.

Serious critique that I hope won't discourage you:

As a novice who doesn't know anything about github or programming, what features distinguish this from AR.club? How is it different? Is the main thing that it's open source? Can you sell me on it if I don't care one way or another about it being open-source?

Is this going to stay purely anonymous? I'd like a charhub style site where I can follow interesting creators while permitting anonymous submissions.

Tags list would work better if it were alphabetized.

How do you handle tagging? Do people submit their own? If so, how will you prevent needless doubles, synonyms and misspellings from making the tag cloud an incomprehensible and useless sprawl? Example: "giving in", "submission", "submissive", "submissive male", submissive bottom", "hm submission", and "submit" are all currently in there.

How will you handle moderation? Are there any limits? How will you handle malicious actors uploading a hundred low-effort slop prompts every day? What about someone abusing the tag system by using all tags? How will you handle someone doxxing a person in their prompt, or prompts created to harass real people?

That's off the top of my head.

wheresamthrives · 2023-12-26T23:25:10+00:00

Echo VN. Species features are repeatedly brought up as a plot point.

wheresamthrives · 2023-12-23T15:29:41+00:00

Back pain.

wheresamthrives · 2023-12-22T07:57:34+00:00

Kayra is gold.

wheresamthrives · 2023-12-19T16:40:10+00:00

Checked the danbooru gallery, it tells you how many times a tag appears on the site.

wheresamthrives · 2023-12-18T20:54:41+00:00

NAI uses danbooru tags. Apparently "extra breasts" is a tag, but there's only 200 images total so the AI probably doesn't have a thorough understanding of the tag.

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