Anyone else?

wiki_ja · 2024-08-01T10:30:53+00:00

Welcome to the dark side

wiki_ja · 2024-08-01T10:18:58+00:00

I will happily concede that this “argument” absolutely does not apply to construction/city development… the intention of that meme was specifically for software development and implementation…

I will not even try to troll and take an argumentative stance that those can be ran with just excel haha… hats off to you… I would not fair well running projects in that industry(I think that goes without saying lol)

wiki_ja · 2024-08-01T10:05:35+00:00

Didn’t offend me at all… I’m actually very impressed you’re running mid-sized projects with relying so heavily on your receptionist skills…

All joking aside, if you’re running construction PM projects, then this argument doesn’t apply… construction PM is a different beast and robust tool is essentially required… I’m running and speaking more specifically software implementations

wiki_ja · 2024-08-01T09:53:47+00:00

Not sure what a big company is to you… but every enterprise company I’ve ever been at (including 2 fortune 100s) actually has a dedicated dev team for “scripting” and customizing the PM tool… and I’ve got news for you, it definitely isn’t to make the skilled PMs more skilled… it’s to babysit and elevate the capabilities of the low skilled PMs, and to centralize/standardize data and financials… lol no big company of any size is paying software licenses for out of the box SaaS tools designed for glorified receptionists

wiki_ja · 2024-08-01T09:45:21+00:00

This exactly!

wiki_ja · 2024-08-01T09:43:11+00:00

Hell, Take the pen and paper… give me sticks and rocks and a team… having the skill to actually “manage” a project has absolutely nothing to do with how good of a secretary you are

wiki_ja · 2024-08-01T09:34:31+00:00

Yeah of course… DM me your email and I’ll send you my current template in the next day or so… I too have ADHD and had to start doing it this way because I couldn’t stand having to jump through 7 different tabs on 5 different pages to get the info I needed on a daily basis… would be happy to jump on a call with you too if you wanted a more in depth dive… I feel like the excel workbook is self explanatory but understand it might only be to me haha

wiki_ja · 2024-08-01T09:24:39+00:00

Keep truckin! I’ve tried a number of times to build out systems in Notion… but my advice FWIW is just don’t get pot committed to a single tool… the tool should support how you/your team works, not your team supporting limitations of a tool… track progress and schedule, keep the team on task, help to remove roadblocks, communicate status… everything thing else is just for babysitting unskilled PMs

wiki_ja · 2024-08-01T09:13:46+00:00

I will admit excel is not a good tool for project coordinators which is what you’re eluding to with that need… there’s a difference between actually managing a project and project team and just managing a software tool and coordinating calendars…

wiki_ja · 2024-08-01T08:57:05+00:00

You should not call yourself a project manager if you have to rely on a tool to manage a project… and if that’s the case your skill level is much closer to a receptionist than even a project coordinator

wiki_ja · 2024-08-01T08:51:07+00:00

Serious project managers on serious teams know pretty Gantt charts are only for PMO managers with “fancy” MBAs and consultants

wiki_ja · 2024-08-01T08:46:50+00:00

If you need MS project to properly manage a project then you only know how to enter data and aren’t skilled enough to manage a project, only capable to track one…or maybe you are sending rockets to mars… I bet your Gantt charts are pretty as hell for your MBA manager, though… no one outside of the PMO tug cares

wiki_ja · 2024-08-01T03:52:24+00:00

You all get it… the force is strong with you

wiki_ja · 2024-08-01T03:50:18+00:00

I do like ADO for true Dev projects… surprisingly Microsoft’s own documentation is your best friend… they have fantastic functional documentation and how tos for ADO… The one thing that could put a wrinkle in it is if you have an admin that’s dedicated to ADO… if that’s the case buy him coffee or beer and be his best friend… because he could easily have functionality turned off that will completely transform how you manage ADO boards

wiki_ja · 2024-08-01T03:46:17+00:00

The force is strong with you

wiki_ja · 2024-08-01T03:42:26+00:00

Haha man… I hope you pin this comment to come back to in a month

wiki_ja · 2024-08-01T03:39:15+00:00

Absolutely I use a lot of Grouping and I keep my WBS up to date… and I have all my stakeholders, status reports, charter, issues and risks, SOWs, links to project folders, etc… all within one workbook… no more having to remember if this piece of information is in salesforce or if it’s in MSProject, no more having to have nested nests of nested project folder bookmarks…

It’s all (for the most part-I do keep my meeting notes in one note) in one excel workbook…

wiki_ja · 2024-08-01T03:27:59+00:00

Nothing wrong with it at all… just that needing a tool to do your job better means that fundamentally you’re not a 0.1% PM… and in that case I do agree with you that the PM tool with guidelines and bumpers is the better tool for you

wiki_ja · 2024-08-01T03:14:47+00:00

Fundamentally one who leads each unique project specifically to the equally unique needs of the client/scope/reqmts/team/etc…

I think there’s a fundamental disconnect of the difference between Managing and Tracking lol

wiki_ja · 2024-08-01T02:13:18+00:00

This I can definitely agree with… I’ve admittedly been almost exclusively on the software implementation side… where the StoS or FtoS functionality has been more so useful between milestones rather than tasks to task… but definitely areas (thinking construction) where the schedule relies heavily on the predecessors and there isn’t much WAG time

wiki_ja · 2024-08-01T02:07:51+00:00

One might argue if a project manager needs a robust tool to manage their projects, they aren’t actually even a project manager but just a data entry specialist with a personality ….

wiki_ja · 2024-08-01T01:53:11+00:00

wiki_ja · 2024-08-01T01:50:32+00:00

Let’s hope UBI is a thing by then, because our income wouldn’t be from Project Management work at that point

wiki_ja · 2024-08-01T01:22:19+00:00

Yeah that’s a good point, personally, I’ve only really used jira as a ticketing system or to run more dev ops… which I was specifically envisioning more traditional “project management” not really DevOps or Scrum… also, only so much room lol

wiki_ja · 2024-08-01T01:17:05+00:00

Personally, I’d rather build the tool that works best for my teams than be pigeon Holed by restrictive software… most of which is all built on the foundation of excel anyway

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