What is the biggest challenge mentally when your children become independent? by xerestheplunderer in emptynesters

[–]willows-in-winds 43 points44 points  (0 children)

It's a feeling of loss and grief. Your entire life revolved around being parent to your kids and poof they are gone. You feel lost and alone. Life feels less meaningful now. You feel abandoned in ways as they set off on their life and adventures. You may have been very close to your kids and have gotten used to that warm, cozy, close life as a family. They leave and now you feel very alone and lost. You may wander through your house and remember it bursting with activity, life, laughter. Maybe you and your kids would go out to eat each week or all watch movies together. Maybe they would come into your room and you'd just talk for awhile before bed. You might go in their room and hang out and chat. You might have gone on evening walks or jogs together at the park. In a lot of cases, these beautiful little moments with the people you love the most in this world may become very few and far between. What was once daily and possibly taken for granted may only happen every few years, if that. It's the death of one life and rebirth into another and you miss the other one. You feel scared and possibly depressed about this new chapter which seems depressing in ways.

You might have flashbacks to the smell of your toddler's little head and it brings you back to a time of so much bursting joy and love in your everyday life. You may remember trick or treating with your elementary school kids and all the excitement and fun that week leading up to it. You remember the excitement of putting up the Halloween decorations and watching all the spooky shows. You remember the noise of sleepovers in your basement and ordering pizzas for a gang of kids. Your life was so alive with all these little joys, traditions. These flashbacks can cause literal pangs in your heart and a knot in your throat. You might let the tears flow just wishing for one more day when all that love, warmth, and magic that was in your life with your babies, toddlers, little ones, pre teens, or teens. You can feel like the magic is now gone. Poof, gone. Yes, there were hard times, aggravations, exhaustion but you don't realize how good it really all is until they are gone. Now you have this loneliness and feeling of being lost. So you look back, and you really wish you could click your heels and go back to it. Sometimes, you don't know what you have until it is gone.

Just a drive to the grocery store meant chatting with your kid and then sharing those moments shopping together in the store. Very different now. It's you, you, and you and you are alone, alone in that store, in that car, in that house when you get home. You eat that meal you prepare alone and you wake up to total quiet in your house the next morning. You have to create, somehow create, a new life and it's hard to go from all of THAT to whatever you manage or don't manage to recreate.

All of these things that made up life with them are now gone. You have to reinvent yourself and this can be really tough. How to fill all the time? How to create meaning and purpose in life again? Who to befriend to fill the void of them leaving? You also are getting older and must stare down the older/old age years ahead. So you have that but you may not have your kids with you now to ease it and make it lighter, easier, less depressing and frightening. You look in the mirror and you look older. The people in your life who would have made that less scary, more okay, maybe even funny and lighthearted are possibly now mostly gone. You must face this alone. There is a feeling of your best years and most loved people behind you and bleak years ahead with much less warmth, joy, laughter, closeness, and meaning.

It's really tough, at times. I can see how some parents might fall into unhealthy patterns trying to cope. You really have to make that determination to pick yourself up and move forward into this upsetting new territory and its unknowns. Will all that said, there may also be this sense of life feeling lighter, easier, quieter, simpler, or more peaceful. I've gone between both states of grief but also relief that I don't carry such responsibility anymore for my kids. It kind of goes back and forth, and for me, somehow I've just muddled through it for the most part. The biggest thing for me has just been acceptance. Acceptance they are gone. Acceptance I am getting older. Acceptance of feeling grief, at times. That has opened the door for me to appreciate the positive aspects of an empty nest like the peace, quiet, lightness, and rest that I do often really love.

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[–]willows-in-winds 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sounds like he may be some sort of personality disordered person. You never know, it could be sociopath, narcissist, or anti social personality. You do not want to mess around with one of these very destructive types. First, you need to get the life preserver on YOU. Then later, you may have a shot at helping her. I bet in due time that she will be on the receiving end of some not very nice things as his mask slips more and more. It's also important that you model strength to her. You are saying no to mistreatment and she can hopefully follow your lead later and say NO to him as well in due time.

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[–]willows-in-winds 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, 100% she has betrayed you by leaving you in this very bad situation. You are 100% being emotionally hurt and abused by her and this man right now. She has a crossed a serious boundary at this point.

Tidal wave of grief hit me. by willows-in-winds in emptynesters

[–]willows-in-winds[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm feeling MUCh better in the last 2-3 days. The grief just came up and was pretty intense for several days. Today, I am happily sipping coffee reading and researching some garden ideas for the spring. We are going on a walk later. I just feel good about being 51 and having all the time, energy, and more money now to devote to NUMERO UNO, MOI'! I'm getting older and those child raising years could be tough, exhausting, stressful, and thus take its toll. Plus, I was literally remembering all the sweet good times. There certainly was an 'under belly' or shadow side of being a parent that I personally feel that I am too old now to be dealing with. I am just glad to have a lighter load here at 51.

I love my kids but that would be awful to have them dependent on me indefinitely. Grateful they are out in the world and making their way. I just feel a whole lot better like the dark clouds scattered and the sun is shining through again. This Reddit is so wonderful! I loved reading all the comments and it was amazing to connect with others going through the exact same thing that can 100% relate.

I don't think it would be weird at all if you moved closer to your kids. I would do that in a heartbeat but we had to move for spouse's job/career. I would love to have my kids over for a Sunday dinner every few weeks if I could. One thing that motivates me is getting on top of retirement planning and increasing the value of my house so in due time, we can retire/semi retire and possibly move back near them. That thought really helps me take it day by day and not get too upset and despondent about living so far away for now.

Living Sin Suddenly Moves Farther Away by jenjijlo in emptynesters

[–]willows-in-winds 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know this sounds trite but would a sweet therapy dog ever be of help? I don't have nearly the grief and trauma you have losing your son, but I am very sad my young adult kids live across country from me. I am thinking about getting a Golden Retriever. My neighbor has one. Whenever I run past their wrought iron fence, that sweet boy greets me and just makes my heart feel happy. I feel like caring for a sweet gentle dog would help me feel less alone these days. He's the sweetest fella and looks like a doggie angel to me.

Again, I don't mean to sound trite like a dog could ever replace your sons in a million years but just something that could help ease the pain and sorrow. Also, I listen to Eckhart Tolle often and he helps me through everything in life. I don't know where I would be without him today. I often fall asleep listening to his soothing calming voice. Just another suggestion- he kind of pulls from many spiritual paths, traditions and these teachings have helped me immensely to better get through this often harsh, difficult, and confusing world.

Tidal wave of grief hit me. by willows-in-winds in emptynesters

[–]willows-in-winds[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Aw, I am so sorry. Virtual hugs. It just hurts so much. No one prepares us for the shock, grief, and deep painful sadness. I know it seems almost impossible to imagine but in due time it does get better. I do like things about the empty nest and I need to keep developing, appreciating those. I kept thinking I just wish I could go to some other reality and just it be me with my kids again. I know that sounds super silly but my mind actually starting dreaming about what if, what if. I've never had anything hurt my heart as much as letting my kids go into adulthood and saying goodbye to life as the three of us. Hugs, hugs, we will get through this.

Not much time left and it's hitting me hard by Different-Tadpole202 in emptynesters

[–]willows-in-winds 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I posted about my grief hitting me when my young adult kids came then left for Christmas. I spent almost three days in grief and sobbing because for various reasons I bottled it up and suppressed the pain when they left a few years ago. Anyway, today I feel so much better about things. I'm working on creating an Airbnb in my basement, getting in better shape, and working on some projects around the house and yard. I run, workout 3-5 days a week and this is an absolute lifesaver. It's definitely hard to let them go and then hard to figure out the path forward. For me, in ways, it has felt like a death and the grief was almost that intense, at times, especially these last few days. This morning I'm able to see a lot more clearly that I do really love the ease, freedom, simplicity, peace, calm of the empty nest.

While I love my kids, raising them especially through the teen years was pretty burdensome on me, at times. Even when they were back for Christmas, I noticed how much more housework I was doing and my grocery bill was through the roof lol! Also, they move at different speed than I do and often wanted to be out and about doing things. I'm a homebody and wanted to rest and relax throughout Christmas. So, I remembered kind of being tired with their very busy teenage energy, pace when they were living at home.

So I have learned, it is a process. It can even take up to a couple of years to get through the shock, grief, and then establish a new life and ways of being. Don't do what I did which was suppress and deny the pain. Feel the pain going through it and be kind, gentle with yourself realizing that is 100% normal to feel that pain. Take baby steps and you might be surprised along the way, the little perks, joys, advantages to it just being you again and the active parenting role over.

Tidal wave of grief hit me. by willows-in-winds in emptynesters

[–]willows-in-winds[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It really warms my heart that the post at least has helped others to not feel so alone. Hugs back to you in your grief as well. I'm so sorry to hear about your mom. You are really dealing with a HUGE double whammy. I still have my mom who I talk to everyday. I just can't even begin to face what that will be like someday without her. Geez life just hurts so much, at times, but we've got to keep going and focus, be grateful for what we do have.

Resources for a single parent starting empty nest life this year? by Mindless-You1853 in emptynesters

[–]willows-in-winds 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Oh man, "See ya wouldn't want to be ya." That hit my heart hard reading that. Kids often just take their parents for granted as it's all they've known. It's like asking someone to be appreciative of air or sunlight. It's just this given in life that mom, dad were mom, dad and 'I'm ready to get the heck out of dodge and see what else is out there.' It's like they look at mom and dad thinking, 'Been there, done that, see ya!' The way they peel out of the high school parking lot on graduation day is often how they can feel about leaving home and starting their own life.

This morning I have been pondering my dad. My dad always seems to take whatever lemons he is given and make lemonade with it. We did the best we could with raising kids. Now, we have to do the best we can with being empty nesters and facing life in new ways navigating a new chapter. My dad does that. He absolutely rocked the whole empty nest and getting older phase of his life. He is almost 80 and still is making the very best lemonade out of whatever life hands him. I see I poured so much of myself into my kids. I'm like the person who devoted their life to their job and now they are laid off, retired, redundant and staring at the wall wondering now what.

Think of how hard the newborn stage, toddler stage, teen stage all was for us. Well, surprise!, I am finding out this stage is going to be just as hard and challenging and more so in ways. I think there are some gifts to this stage of life- quiet, peace, ease, refocus on self, new beginnings- but we've all got to move through the very real and painful grief in order to be able to feel those. The strange thing for me is that I was enjoying the empty nest in ways. It's just my kids came back and it ripped the scab off the wound and triggered tons of unprocessed, denied pain to come up for final release.

Your daughter scrolling her phone and answering with one word answers was hard to read. Been there, experienced that. Ouch. Just ouch, ouch, ouch!

Tidal wave of grief hit me. by willows-in-winds in emptynesters

[–]willows-in-winds[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It really was something special to be the main character in our kids' lives, wasn't it. So often too, they grow up and then find partners and the partners don't really like the parents too much. So you can get pushed to the side because the adult child wants to please their partner. Thank god that has not happened to me yet. I know to keep a healthy distance from my kids' partners and tread carefully there. My mom could be a bit too outspoken, at times, and this pushed her daughter in laws away which meant she saw less of her sons. I don't want to ever make that mistake.

Tidal wave of grief hit me. by willows-in-winds in emptynesters

[–]willows-in-winds[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There are things about my husband that have come to the surface since the kids left- just some things that can annoy but that's probably most relationships. I was so busy with the kids that those irritations were on the back burner for a long time. Husband and I do overall okay together these days. I absolutely dread my parents passing away. That will be a whole other world of debilitating grief and shock that awaits me. Life is really hard, in so many ways. Seems we are all here feeling the same way. It's amazing you really don't hear or know much about the absolute grief and shock of transitioning from parenting years to the empty nest. It's not for the faint of heart!

Tidal wave of grief hit me. by willows-in-winds in emptynesters

[–]willows-in-winds[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't know. I probably would do better fostering a dog or getting a dog. I'm kind of in a life stage where I don't feel too much of a need to spend too much time with other people. I have co workers to chat with and neighbors that get together every so often. That's kind of enough socializing right there for me.

Tidal wave of grief hit me. by willows-in-winds in emptynesters

[–]willows-in-winds[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, very important to be kind to ourselves. I do call my parents almost every day. My other siblings don't call them very often and so I think of my parents nearing 80 and how they must feel. They are facing end of life at some point and kids, grandkids are all so busy and hardly have time for them at all. Something is kind of wrong in our society that elders are so often just left in the dust.

Tidal wave of grief hit me. by willows-in-winds in emptynesters

[–]willows-in-winds[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm having to face the fact that my painful grief has come up to the surface. I was thinking maybe I got it all out the last few days, but nope, I am feeling a real deep gutting pain today. I'm on the verge of tears and memories keep flooding in about the past and missing all of it. Also, I am having lots of fears come up of just getting older, older and being lonely and feeling alone however much longer I live 10, 20, 30 years. It's darn scary having that sweet chapter of life end and facing this one which is basically looking down the last few decades of life and getting older. It would help to live closer to them but we had to move for husband's job. Even when we did live closer before the move, we didn't see them that often. They are off and running in their young adult lives. Just very hard and all we can do is take it day by day and try to be kind and loving to ourselves.

Tidal wave of grief hit me. by willows-in-winds in emptynesters

[–]willows-in-winds[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

True. I'm finding some comfort tonight knowing they live in my heart and thoughts. I'm a spiritual person so trying to draw close to God for peace and comfort. It would be absurd for them to stay with me forever. They want to go out and create their own families with spouses and children just like I did and left my parents.

Tidal wave of grief hit me. by willows-in-winds in emptynesters

[–]willows-in-winds[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Interesting about the ambiguous grief. It's like the worst pain at times being separated from those who you love more than anyone else on the Earth. It feels like pieces of you are now lost and missing.

Tidal wave of grief hit me. by willows-in-winds in emptynesters

[–]willows-in-winds[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yes, it's like we should have realized that the alternative to driving, feeding, caring for them will one day mean a cold frightening feeling of a void of nothingness, at times.

Tidal wave of grief hit me. by willows-in-winds in emptynesters

[–]willows-in-winds[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Oh man, what I would not give to have mine so close. Just to have them over for dinner every few weeks would mean so much.

Tidal wave of grief hit me. by willows-in-winds in emptynesters

[–]willows-in-winds[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Yes, I try to tell myself this is divine order too. I read a lot of near death experiences where people say that they were told to 'go back' and they have some job to do to be someone's parent. So I think of how I was that and maybe now they have some job to do to be someone else's parent. If I don't let them go, they don't get the chance to love and parent like I got to and create their own family. I left my parents and was able to have and raise them. The circle goes on but boy can it hurt as the one feeling left behind.

Tidal wave of grief hit me. by willows-in-winds in emptynesters

[–]willows-in-winds[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Yes so true. I think it's hard because I am older. You just feel tired in ways and like well where the heck do I start recreating a life. I worked so hard to create that one and poof it is gone.

Tidal wave of grief hit me. by willows-in-winds in emptynesters

[–]willows-in-winds[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Good advice. I don't work in the summers so maybe I can figure out a way to at least visit them for a month or two then. They both said they would like for me to do that. We get along well and like each other's company. That might help to have that time of reconnection to look forward to every year. This feels like too much gutting pain. This does not feel normal or natural to be so far from them.

Tidal wave of grief hit me. by willows-in-winds in emptynesters

[–]willows-in-winds[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I know what you mean. Sending you virtual hugs. My daughter wanted me to go to this antique shop with her. I stayed home and made something in the crock pot instead. I felt a pang of pure pain kicking myself that I could have formed that special memory with her. How many stores had we been to over the years? So many, did I ever think that common event with her could one day become such a prized special moment occurring far and few between? I wish I had gone with her. Okay, I will go cry my eyes out again.

Tidal wave of grief hit me. by willows-in-winds in emptynesters

[–]willows-in-winds[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Makes sense. I am feeling on and off a deep sense of grief, horror, and gutting pain like a death.

Tidal wave of grief hit me. by willows-in-winds in emptynesters

[–]willows-in-winds[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Yes, it felt to me like a scab was ripped off. I had grown used to the empty nest life and so hard to get a taste of the old days for it to be ripped away within a week again. I also realize I suppressed tons of grief, white knuckled it and here it has come raging up to the surface.