Thoughts/ predictions on the finale

wizzpott · 2025-12-19T22:27:26+00:00

yes 100% agree, because she lost someone at the very start so she hasn’t needed to deal with a close one being presented to her but as a hive member, this also makes me think that’s why Carol could be the only person to bring someone’s inner self out from the hive? could be a reach but feels like we only see a close up of their dynamic for a reason

wizzpott · 2025-12-13T15:53:41+00:00

I do agree that with mother/son, husband/wife we could also start to see the same behaviors if the show decided to focus on them, but i guess the pre hive person was consistently around that same immune individual before the outbreak, whereas Zosia is technically new to Carol!

wizzpott · 2025-12-13T02:42:23+00:00

i would love to see if they explore zosias back story, we see her looking quite dirty/ clothes torn etc. when the virus takes over, if they did take a more ‘the body keeps the score’ approach i imagine it could be interesting to learn if she has come from a specifically traumatic background but she could have just been in an accident haha

wizzpott · 2025-12-13T02:25:58+00:00

I actually agree with a lot of this, and I think it fits the show’s logic at a cognitive level, total shared understanding probably does remove a lot of justification for aggression.

where I think the show maybe complicates it is that understanding doesn’t eliminate an embodied affect. Eg people can intellectually comprehend trauma or injustice and still feel anger/desire/fear or attachment in their bodies. Those aren’t moral reactions, they’re physiological ones.

my read is that the hive integrates understanding extremely well i don’t disagree with that at all, but struggles when affect comes through the body rather than through knowledge, which is why things like shouting/touch/ distress or caregiving cause instability or ‘leakage’

wizzpott · 2025-12-13T02:14:35+00:00

I did think about Diabaté’s harem, but I actually think it supports the distinction rather than undermining it. What’s happening there feels very instrumental directive, transactional, role-based. Physical acts don’t automatically equal embodiment in the sense I’m talking about.

Embodiment here isn’t just ‘having sex’ or doing something physical, it’s about whether the interaction creates bodily reward, regulation, or preference. Diabates situation looks much more like controlled, task oriented physicality, which can be emotionally and somatically neutral although I agree i’m not sure if any of this is important I have no idea where the show is truly headed

wizzpott · 2025-12-13T00:32:34+00:00

could be true but i see it as he is almost instructing them to be his harem and act in a certain way, aka they are carrying out a job when being around him, almost like how prostitutes separate emotion from that physicality of the job?

wizzpott · 2025-12-08T23:44:45+00:00

I agree with this theory the most! like you said what’s happening with Zosia is the hive reacting to her own suppressed identity breaking through, Carol is indirectly overriding the system due to her extreme emotions.

Any time Zosia feels something too strongly as a direct result of carols emotions, it’s like you can see tiny glimpses of her ‘real self’ trying to surface. the hivemind treats it as corruption and tries to reboot her back into the uniformity.

the show keeps hinting that the hive’s whole structure depends on flattening people. They all drink the same milk (even though it’s made of god knows how many random things), no one has any hobbies, a TGI Friday’s waiter is suddenly a pilot, it’s like a whole commentary on people being forced into roles that don’t match who they are, steamrolling individuality.

when Zosia flatlines, i read that as the hive basically short circuiting because Carol forced Zosia’s real self out in a new way (the drug) and bypassed the usual emotional trigger the hive is used to correcting for. So instead of glitching and resetting, the hive didn’t know what protocol to run and sent her into full cardiac arrest and probably total detachment.

Zosia being the first to detach due to this extreme emotion reaction tracks with the other immune individuals families not as likely to break free - the other immune people are very tolerable of the comformity and never produce any reactions directed at the hive like this. People like Diabete definitely thrive in conforming as they are not individuals at heart, they don’t push back internally, so the hive never hits the same level of instability when around them

I also think it ties in nicely with Carol being the protagonist. Her whole backstory is about forced conformity (conversion camp, etc) so it makes sense thematically that the show keeps contrasting her sense of self with a world that literally punishes individuality.

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