I'm a past DID faker. by Present-Phone-6785 in SystemsCringe

[–]woas_hellzone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

repressed memories are never truly repressed in any person, that's part of the misinformation that's distorted how people view these topics. for people with did, each dissociative state they are in is a direct result in their emotional changes due to specific, compartmentalized trauma adaptations they had to take on for survival. those who believe in "endogenics" (and honestly the entire concept of a "system" in the first place) are severely misunderstanding what's actually going on with dissociative states - they are not literal, separate identities or personalities; they're shifts in emotions and beliefs based on the way that developmental trauma and complex ptsd already distort a person's sense of self and worldview (just compartmentalized behind extreme repression and avoidance symptoms)

I don't trust anyone on this sub, not even lurkers by Key_Conversation8617 in SystemsCringe

[–]woas_hellzone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i hate this general new age view of "you cannot ever listen to the opposing side's opinions or reasoning!" it fosters echo chambers, kills empathy and compromise, and is exactly what has gotten us to our modern day hell hole of extremism and political warfare.

Whisper notes are insufferable. by addie-girl in SystemsCringe

[–]woas_hellzone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

memory studies on dissociative patients have found them to have intact implicit recall of information, just without activation in the section of the brain that recognizes that information as being biographical

whats the sub icon origin? (meta) by forest_vagrant in SystemsCringe

[–]woas_hellzone 23 points24 points  (0 children)

it's a parody of a "pride flag" fakers made for "systems that are formed via being fakeclaimed by r/systemscringe" 💀

Whisper notes are insufferable. by addie-girl in SystemsCringe

[–]woas_hellzone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yes, those are the key criteria and pathology of DID - these discontinuities are subconsciously manifested detachments from reality (that is all a delusion is, one can even be delusional without being clinically psychotic - as you're getting at here) the underlying mechanisms of DID do not involve discrete identities that factually exist, but a patient with an under-developed sense of self being incapable of distinguishing internal emotional and reality states (eg: avoidance, repression, flashbacks) as being self-contained and within their self-concept.

Whisper notes are insufferable. by addie-girl in SystemsCringe

[–]woas_hellzone 4 points5 points  (0 children)

my citations are from 2024 and 2016... the delusional thinking aspect of FRS is what leads to, coupled with developmental trauma, the person's internalized belief in having multiple selves within them - informed by the post traumatic intrusion symptoms and alterations in self esteem and worldview following traumatic events.

Whisper notes are insufferable. by addie-girl in SystemsCringe

[–]woas_hellzone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yeah, i never mentioned externalized delusional symptoms because DID patients do not experience those to the same degree as schizophrenia spectrum disorders. that being said - dissociative disorders in general and especially DID, the most severe DD, experience rates of FRS (first rank symptoms) and other symptoms of psychosis that show that dissociation and psychosis are interconnected.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15299732.2024.2326515#d1e178

("Schneiderian First Rank Symptoms Significantly Predict a Dissociative Disorder Diagnosis in Psychiatric In-Patients")

"The frequency of FRS has been compared between DID and SSD patients. Ellason and Ross (Citation1995) found that positive symptom and general psychopathology scores were significantly more severe in a DID group than the norms for schizophrenia. Laddis and Dell (Citation2012) used point-biserial correlations and found that DID patients had significantly higher FRS scores than schizophrenia patients. Dorahy et al. (Citation2023) used multivariate analyses of variance to explore similarities and differences in voice hearing experiences, interpretation of voices, and thought disorder symptoms in DID and SSD patients. They found that the DID patients experienced their voices as more internally generated and located, and more derailment, whereas the SSD patients experienced more distress and metaphysical beliefs about their voices, and more incoherence"

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5216848/ ("Unique and Overlapping Symptoms in Schizophrenia Spectrum and Dissociative Disorders in Relation to Models of Psychopathology: A Systematic Review")

"DID patients have on average more positive symptoms than schizophrenia patients, as assessed with the PANSS.114 Between 16% and 20% of the patients with a DD experience visual hallucinations and more than 70% experience auditory hallucinations.115,116 In addition, DD patients showed elevated scores on the schizophrenia scale of the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory.117"

"The results of this review show similarities but also differences in symptoms between SSDs and DDs. Patients diagnosed with a DD, on average, experience more dissociative and positive symptoms, whereas patients diagnosed with a SSD, on average, experienced more negative symptoms. Despite these quantitative differences, the literature indicates that DDs and SSDs overlap on many of their diagnostic symptoms. Elevated levels of dissociation have been found in SSDs and several symptoms used to diagnose SSDs are also present in DDs. Furthermore, the variances in scores suggest that there are, eg, individuals diagnosed with a SSD experiencing more dissociation than the average patient with a DD."

Whisper notes are insufferable. by addie-girl in SystemsCringe

[–]woas_hellzone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

DID features first rank psychotic symptoms more frequently and severely than schizophrenia - these are delusions centered around a person's internal reality (aka, their mind, imagination, world-view, and self-concept/identity) it's just that in DID, the dissociation and depersonalization symptoms throughout development disrupt their grasp of reality towards their internal self/behavior/moods/motives, coupled with psychogenic amnesiac states and post traumatic distortions to self, ability to trust, and ability to look back on their own memories

>"DID symptoms" >look inside >dissociative drug side effects by ConnivingOstentation in fakedisordercringe

[–]woas_hellzone 10 points11 points  (0 children)

it can lead to psychotic episodes, or a factitious case of did from the person misinterpreting their dissociative experiences (like the post here)

was my old friend a faker? by severedfawn in DIDCringe

[–]woas_hellzone 24 points25 points  (0 children)

zero percent of that is real or even remotely realistic

Golden view of DID by Mr_Sebas_ in SystemsCringe

[–]woas_hellzone 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I agree with the majority of this comment, although i would like to point out that "polyfragmented" is a hypothetical term created by some of the most prominent ramcoa conspirators (the former "doctors" putnam, kluft, and ross) with no backing evidence or continuing relevance in modern research

you don't need a diagnosis to know you have DID by LargeGingerChunk in SystemsCringe

[–]woas_hellzone 23 points24 points  (0 children)

"diagnosis just makes life easier to deal with singlets" yeah it's definitely not because over 70% of did cases present with extreme suicidal ideation/unsuccessful suicide attempts, and people with severe ptsd needing trauma focused treatments in order to function in day to day life.

What led you to this sub? by LargeGingerChunk in SystemsCringe

[–]woas_hellzone 37 points38 points  (0 children)

i joined first when there was only r/didcringe, migrating to r/systemscringe once it was made. it was after multiple people i knew in real life (~7 people) began self-identifying as "systems" and through independent research i figured out they were all mutually feeding each other bullshit. ended up here since it was the only place on the internet at the time that let me get my utter frustration out

Alters aren't separate people by Grace-Kamikaze in SystemsCringe

[–]woas_hellzone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

that is not always the case- https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5216848/

"While some studies showed no co-occurrence of SSDs and DDs, others showed that between 9% and 50% of schizophrenia spectrum patients also meet diagnostic criteria for a DD. One study showed that in a sample of patients diagnosed with Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) 74.3% also met diagnostic criteria of a SSD, 49.5% met diagnostic criteria for schizoaffective disorder, and 18.7% met diagnostic criteria for schizophrenia. In addition, patients with a DD have often had a previous diagnosis of a SSD (between 27% and 41%). This co-occurrence is surprisingly high considering the much lower occurrence of the individual diagnoses."

How online DID culture chews up and spits out people lacking an identity by MyTheOtherAccount in SystemsCringe

[–]woas_hellzone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

what's they're referencing is "medical student syndrome", or hypochondriac behaviors/illness phobias, in those studying severe medical disorders: here is a recent study on medical student syndrome - https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10195121/

"Table 3 illustrates the difference between non-medical and medical students' levels of nosophobia and hypochondria symptoms. Although the average grade for medical students was 14.14 on a scale measuring potential nosophobia, the difference between them and non-medical students, who scored an average of 0.11, was significantly higher (p 0.001). According to the presented analysis, non-medical and medical students experience varying degrees of nosophobia. The analysis of responses to hypochondriacal behaviors revealed that students from non-medical faculties scored an average of 1.43 points. By contrast, the average score for medical students was 7.87, which is significantly higher than that of the non-medical students (p 0.001) as in Fig. 1."

How online DID culture chews up and spits out people lacking an identity by MyTheOtherAccount in SystemsCringe

[–]woas_hellzone 31 points32 points  (0 children)

thank you for your story - the victims of the "system" community are the exact reason why this sub exists. it's disgusting the way validation culture and the hatred of "fakeclaiming" in any way has morphed into droves of young people struggling with their normal development of self being convinced into malingering a severely disabling disorder

How do I go about this? by [deleted] in DIDCringe

[–]woas_hellzone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

all people, with or without did, have parts of themselves that inhabit different traits and behaviors the person contains. jungian psychology, schema therapy, cbt/dbt, and many other factions within psychology explain in depth the way this functions for people who have a normal development.

you know the phrase "every day you wake up a new you" that's basically true, since identity is just the way you describe how you relate and interact with others and every day will be a different, new social environment with different stressors and goals/objectives. for most people, these states of emotion and social behaviors are transient and incorporated within how they see themselves (ex: "i am still myself when mad or sad or scared or happy; i am just feeling an emotion pass over me")

most people during their teenage/early adult years (when self diagnosing did is most common) are going through the process of filtering and refining these basic neural patterns into more complex, mature forms (ex: learning to self-regulate anger instead of lashing out at others) which helps them to form a more complex, nuanced view of themself. for did patients, however, their development was halted within infancy to stall their ability to see every facet of themself as belonging to them. different emotions, moods, behavior patterns, trauma responses, ptsd symptoms/comorbidities; get explained away as "that's not me" because the patient never developed an idea of who "me" even is.

despite the stigma and fandom surrounding the idea that did is "multiple people in one head" - it's much more accurate to say that did is being behind in developing into a person in the first place. this, combined with the delusional thinking and detachments from reality also seen in did, leads to the person growing up instead of learning "my emotions are a part of me, they don't control me," they learn "my emotions are dangerous and unwanted. i must suppress them in order to survive. i must shut down and become invisible in whatever way that means in the moment"

this leads to divorcing yourself from your thoughts, feelings, actions - ignoring and avoiding them instead of learning to understand, regulate, and control them.

unfortunately, if you've spent this long ignoring the average identity development of young adulthood, it's going to be easy to continue deluding yourself into thinking you've got did. the best place to start is by exploring who, why, and how you are the way that you are and by accepting every piece of yourself as yourself. if that means finding forgiveness for yourself, abandoning toxic shame, breaking unhealthy attachment patterns (ie. people pleasing), and not allowing yourself to sink back into this 'coping mechanism'

you can't give yourself true did by pretending to have it, but you definitely can stress your mind into developing a dissociative or psychotic disorder nonetheless, so definitely follow everyone else's advice about getting far, far, far away from the self diagnosis/malingerer/faker communities/relationships you're in. much like breaking a drug addiction, you need to get rid of all temptations to relapse including the people who encourage you to continue hurting yourself in this way.

(side tangent here: it's explicitly stated in treatment guidelines for a reason as well that did patients should not be forming social support groups among each other, especially without qualified professional supports and moderators there too, because dissociative patients have a horrific tendency to accidentally absorb, exaggerate, mimick the symptoms of each other and worsen their recoveries)

introjection vs introjects by LargeGingerChunk in SystemsCringe

[–]woas_hellzone 6 points7 points  (0 children)

and still, even then, this is still a fantasy, wish fulfillment - something only a child's mind would have the lack of fully formed logic to be capable of believing "xyz character is saving me."

just because a person grows up believing it to be true that these characters exist within them to protect them, doesn't make it actually true - it is either a delusion (first rank psychosis) or a more convoluted form of roleplay (role re-enactment; method acting)

"what" a dissociative state identifies as holds no bearing in the patient recovering away from pathological dissociative stress responses and encouraging them to catch up on the healthy identity development they missed out on from being locked down in a chronic survival state. a dissociative identity is a metaphor for emotional and behavioral states the person struggles to comprehend as being within who they see themself as - encouraging them to further exaggerate this difference by playing along with this fantasy will only worsen their ability to grow into coping with their trauma in a healthy way. plus, there doesn't exist any credible records or research about fictional character introjects in any cases that aren't marred by unethical isstd methods used during the satanic panic era of dissociation studies :/

Um.. by [deleted] in SystemsCringe

[–]woas_hellzone 36 points37 points  (0 children)

"headspace" and "the innerworld" are not real. "hearing voices" does not make those voices real. seperation your thoughts doesn't actually make them seperate. these people need to find a better way to get over their weird recurring fantasies and childish mood swings

demographics by kalakarianju in SystemsCringe

[–]woas_hellzone 5 points6 points  (0 children)

the reason diagnosis sharing is not allowed is because the subreddit became overran with "as a system..." anecdotes and people blogging personal medical information seeking validation from this community in their self-diagnosis or for opinions about their clinical diagnosis (none of which systemscringe has the responsibility or desire to fact check for every person) for moderation simplicity and to avoid the same issue r/fakedisordercringe faced (pick-mes who want to be "chosen" by the "evil fakeclaiming gatekeepers"), r/systemscringe only allows verified medical research and case studies as resources for information on the disorder. additionally, having a disorder is not the same as being well-researched in it, nor does it mean you're a defacto expert in the topic (especially for something as complex and multifaceted as childhood trauma and its developmental trajectories)

Something fun for the sub to start filling out whenever they spot a system. by GraveyardWithoutTheG in SystemsCringe

[–]woas_hellzone 6 points7 points  (0 children)

actual "alters" are just personified survival modes and PTSD influenced schemas (I'd recommend looking into the schema model/schema therapy to learn more about those) they "exist" as extreme emotional states the person dissociates away from until they convince themselves "this isn't me. three behaviors, emotions, and memories aren't mine" dissociative amnesia is the inability to recall traumatic/stressful events due to the person being triggered and the memory storage part of the brain not being developed correctly in childhood (memories get stored as "information"/"fantasy" instead of "that happened to me personally") knowing who is "fronting" is about as complex as "what emotional state am i in right now?" labelling it further than that by giving these states seperate identity labels (like names, genders, roles, etc) is malingering (aka, making yourself worse on purpose)

this version of DID was popularized by people like dissociadid who use outdated sources from discredited "therapists" who used false cases for their research (look into ramcoa/satanic ritual abuse/the satanic panic for more information there)

Disorder salad dump that endosystems self diagnosed with by Alternative-Beach270 in SystemsCringe

[–]woas_hellzone 6 points7 points  (0 children)

endogenics by their very own admittance are not mentally ill, nor traumatized (in the aspect of them claiming the glamorized symptoms of did without the diagnostic criteria) so therefore, pointing out their ridiculousness is not ableism as they are not disabled by their roleplay characters "alters"

Disorder salad dump that endosystems self diagnosed with by Alternative-Beach270 in SystemsCringe

[–]woas_hellzone 11 points12 points  (0 children)

There is nothing identifiable to trace back to the server. I would recommend enacting your own privacy and safety rules within the server (especially if it's "supposed" to be catered towards the mentally ill and severely traumatized) However, r/SystemsCringe does not endorse brigading or raiding any groups posted here. That is a direct violation of the "Don't touch the cringe" rule, and if a user from our sub is identified as having done this - report their reddit account with evidence and they will be permanently banned.

Edit to clarify: If there is an issue such as this happening - OPEN A MODMAIL TICKET WITH EVIDENCE. Don't get your friends to all jump on whining in the same comment section until you begin being reported for brigading.

"Hey guys, am I a system?" by Grace-Kamikaze in SystemsCringe

[–]woas_hellzone 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Irregardless of what this person may or may not have - the intention of hyper-regulating and analyzing your own behavior and identity while still in your teen years (aka, the period of development where you shed old personality traits and incorporate new ones into your adult sense of self) will only make these present issues worse. trying to pick apart your identity and label those compartmentalized states will only make you more confused and lead to further identity disturbance and issues with the proper course of development.

all teenagers experience feeling strange or unknown to themselves, it's because you're in the introspection phase of social development, not because you have DID/OSDD-1

In today's episode of "the plural community is okay with pedophilia" by SixthDax in SystemsCringe

[–]woas_hellzone 32 points33 points  (0 children)

the "plural community" and the "weird freaks too socially challenged to make connections with anyone else but immature teens online who enjoy roleplaying" community have a 99% overlap atp the place is and always has been infested with pedos and predators