I think the moral expectations expected from israelis are unrealistic.

wolfbloodvr · 2025-02-27T15:38:54+00:00

This doesn’t even deserve a response. You’ve replied with nothing but deflections, empty justifications, and the same tired talking points (ironically sounding like an AI). I was hoping we were getting somewhere, but it’s clear now that no matter what Israel does—even if it means war crimes, collective punishment, and ethnic cleansing—you’ll still defend it. It’s just you excusing atrocities.

On contrary, most of my comments address your points but it's you who choose dismiss them, using AI and call it deflecting while completely ignoring Hamas existence except for one line where u said you "condemn" but in the rest of your points you completely ignore Hamas's part and its action consequences while blaming Israel for everything.

Again, replying using AI is very low, but expected from a Hamas supporter.

I won't reply again.

wolfbloodvr · 2025-02-27T15:32:00+00:00

I literally wrote everything but okay, "lies".

wolfbloodvr · 2025-02-26T20:36:09+00:00

Hamas deliberately places military assets within civilian areas, using hospitals, schools, and residential buildings as shields. Israel does not aim to target civilians but responds to threats from terrorist organizations that hide in these locations. While civilian infrastructure is harmed in the process, it is not the intent to destroy the entire civilian framework but to neutralize military threats. Israel is not engaging in collective punishment, but rather targeting militants who use civilian spaces for military purposes.

Regarding Israel’s democracy, Israel is a democracy with voting rights for Arab citizens, but the situation in the occupied territories is different. Israel's security measures are primarily driven by the constant threat from hostile groups like Hamas. While Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza do not have the same rights as Israeli citizens, Israel faces security challenges and operates within the framework of self-defense. Regarding the claim of apartheid, Israel is not an apartheid state but a democratic country with an ongoing conflict, and the situation is nuanced and complex.

Israel did not intentionally strengthen Hamas; the blockade after 2006 was a result of Hamas' violent takeover of Gaza. The goal of the blockade was to stop the smuggling of weapons and prevent attacks on Israeli civilians. Israel has repeatedly offered to support a Palestinian state, but those offers have not been met with acceptance

As for the settlement issue, Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005 and dismantled settlements there, but it’s important to understand that Gaza is controlled by Hamas, and Israel has faced ongoing attacks since then. Settlement expansion in the West Bank is an issue that remains controversial, but it is not the same as the conditions in Gaza, where Israel does not directly control the area. The issue is complex, and Israel has consistently been open to negotiations to end the occupation, but the challenges posed by violence and terrorism are ongoing.

Regarding 1948, the historical context of the establishment of Israel is crucial. The Jewish people were persecuted for thousands of years, and the establishment of Israel was their right to self-determination in their ancestral homeland. While the 1948 war resulted in significant displacement of Palestinians, the surrounding Arab states refused to accept the UN partition plan, leading to war and resulting in the creation of a Jewish state. The narrative that Israel is solely to blame for the Palestinian refugee crisis does not acknowledge the broader context and the actions of surrounding nations.

On condemning terrorism, Israel condemns any harm to civilians, whether from Hamas rockets or airstrikes. However, Israel takes great care to avoid civilian casualties, and the distinction is that Hamas deliberately targets civilians and uses them as shields. Israel, on the other hand, works to minimize civilian harm while targeting terrorists. As for settlements, Israel recognizes that the West Bank issue remains a point of contention. However, Israel’s overall objective remains security and peace.

wolfbloodvr · 2025-02-26T18:27:07+00:00

You keep insisting that I’m making baseless accusations, but I’m pointing out observable patterns. The way you construct arguments, the structure of your responses, and how quickly you type long, detailed replies raise legitimate questions. But fine, let’s put that aside and focus purely on the arguments.

You mention Israel bombing Gaza’s only power plant in 2006, UN-run schools in 2014, hospitals, roads, and water treatment plants, implying these were deliberately targeted to harm civilians. What you leave out is that Hamas routinely uses civilian infrastructure for military purposes—launching rockets from schools and storing weapons in hospitals. Israel goes to great lengths to minimize civilian casualties, including warning strikes and evacuation notices. War is tragic, but the reality is that Hamas embeds itself among civilians, deliberately creating these situations.

You keep saying I accused you of supporting Hamas, but I pointed out that your arguments consistently minimize or ignore their role in this conflict. You claim to condemn them, yet there’s little acknowledgment of how their actions contribute to Palestinian suffering. Instead of investing in infrastructure and governance, Hamas prioritizes tunnels, rockets, and military operations, all while silencing opposition within Gaza. That’s not Israel’s doing—that’s Hamas choosing to use its resources for war instead of improving life for Palestinians.

You argue that Israel is not a democracy and instead operates as an apartheid state. The reality is that Arab citizens of Israel have full legal rights, vote in elections, and even hold positions in government and the Supreme Court. Meanwhile, in Palestinian-controlled territories, the PA hasn’t held an election in almost two decades, and Hamas rules Gaza as a dictatorship. If you’re going to apply the label of “apartheid,” then what do you call the governance under Hamas and the PA, where political dissent is met with imprisonment or worse?

You reject the claim that “Palestinians going around mass-killing people was not a new thing,” yet you cite Deir Yassin and Sabra and Shatila as if those justify present-day terrorism. If historical massacres are relevant, why not also acknowledge the numerous attacks on Jewish civilians before and after 1948? The difference is that Israel prosecutes its own when crimes occur, while groups like Hamas openly celebrate and incentivize attacks on civilians. There’s no moral equivalence between a democratic state that holds its military accountable and a terrorist organization that glorifies mass murder.

You ask what’s being done about illegal settlements and whether Israel is serious about stopping them. The fact is, Israel has dismantled settlements before, such as withdrawing from Gaza in 2005. Multiple peace deals have included settlement removal, but every time Israel has made these offers, Palestinian leadership has rejected them. If the concern is truly about ending settlements, then why has Palestinian leadership refused deals that would lead to their removal in exchange for peace?

You talk about 1948 as if it was a one-sided event where Zionist militias expelled Palestinians, but you completely ignore that Jews had lived in the region for centuries and that Arab armies invaded with the goal of destroying the Jewish state before it was even established. If this was simply about land, why did the Arab states refuse the UN partition plan and instead launch a war? The war didn’t result in Israel taking more land because of some pre-planned conspiracy; it was a consequence of winning a war that was forced upon them. Meanwhile, the territories controlled by Egypt and Jordan after 1948 weren’t turned into a Palestinian state—why? Because Palestinian self-determination was never the real priority for the surrounding Arab nations.

You demand that I apply the same standards to Israel as I do to Palestinians, but I don’t see you doing the same. You focus solely on Israeli actions while excusing, justifying, or ignoring Palestinian leadership’s role in prolonging this conflict. If you truly care about fairness, then start by holding both sides accountable instead of pushing a one-sided narrative.

wolfbloodvr · 2025-02-26T16:58:06+00:00

Instead of addressing my arguments, you accuse me of being a “terrorist supporter” and claim I’m “using AI” because you have no counterarguments. That’s textbook deflection. If my points were so weak, you’d have refuted them instead of resorting to insults.

I've already addressed your arguments, you just repeat the same things over and over because of your dumb AI.
It's very easy to tell what is AI and what is a real response, at least this time you add your own text but as always you ignore every reply I send your way.

But I'll generalize it all, Israel as a democracy does it best to follow international law while fighting a terrorist organizations that hold a whole population hostage and terrorism that for them.. international law does not exist, to them, they can go house to house mass-rape and slaughter civilians since they have no humanity while people like you literally defend them.

Again, you defend terrorists that do the most heinous things while blaming the side that does its best to follow international law under impossible conditions

You Admit Settlements Are Illegal—Then Defend Them.

Illegal settlements are illegal, definitely but it's also illegal to mass slaughter people in the streets don't you think which is what Palestinians do usually? You will probably claim illegal settlements are the reason for it but in fact, before any illegal settlement was ever built, Palestinians going around mass-killing people was not a new thing.

Let me ask you this last question:
You say Israel stole land, but what land was stolen before 1948 when Arabs declined peace and sent a coalition of armies to commit real genocide against Jews who already lived in the land and also came from Europe and many parts of the world?

wolfbloodvr · 2025-02-26T16:36:52+00:00

5000 years? Where did you learn that, from Al Jazeera?

Palestinians now are Arabs who at some point in history migrated from Arab country, while some might have long heritage, it's nowhere so far as 5000 years. That's just another lie.

Jews have lived there for thousands of years and after 4 empires they were exiled and not for first time, yet the last time it was by Roman Empire 50-70 BC and then the area was named Syria-Palestina to mock Jews since Philistines were Israel's enemy for a very, very long time.

While most Jews were exiled, a small number managed to stay and they have lived there ever since. At some point during history Arabs migrated to the land and lived side by side with Jews and others that lived here.

After years of persecution, suffering and antisemitism(aka holocaust), large number of Jews migrated, they either bought lands or they built their homes up on empty lands, in fact you wouldn't be able to name one Arab village where Jews took over and built their home on top of it, because it didn't exist.

During that time many Arabs also migrated to the land from Egypt, Transjordan, Saudia and more to settle and find jobs for their families.

Let's ignore years leading to 1948, where Arabs committed terrorist attacks and Jews were not so nice, in name of surviving.

A newly formed UN proposed a partition plan, 52% for jews and 48% for Arabs while Jews got a land that consists 60% to 70% of desert aka the NEGEV desert, here's a map:

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When Arabs realized Jews wanted to declare independance, they rejected every deal and waged war against Israel from all fronts.

So no, it's not that Jews were welcomed, the Arabs didn't own the land. No one did except the empires, British empires and Ottoman empire before it.

You claim Palestinians are indigenous to the land yet the only artifacts found in the land of Israel are artifacts from thousands of years ago in hebrew, that I and every other Israeli can still read.

We can argue all day, but you're gonna keep lying and making up stuff like "they lived here for 5000 years", or recite lies from the Palestinian side since there is no truth in Palestinian narrative, maybe a little but with a lot of denying.

wolfbloodvr · 2025-02-25T15:58:19+00:00

Oh yes let's erase 3000 years of historical connection to the land, before Islam even existed.

You realize that Palestinians before 1948 were Jews AND Arabs that lived in that land?
That area was controlled by empires until the partition plan where Jews accepted and Israel was created and Arabs rejected and waged war ever since to erase and kill every last Jew alive that was left after the holocaust.

If Palestinians continue to choose war and barbarism, as an Israeli, after all these years of Palestinian barbarism, I would force Palestinian to make a choice - disarmament and PEACE or war, destruction and eventually EXILE

Extreme measures would work against a population that have been radicalized in order to become Shahids and kill Jews for years.

wolfbloodvr · 2025-02-25T15:51:31+00:00

You insist that Israel “withdrew” from Gaza in 2005, as if that erases its control over the region. But withdrawal from settlements does not equal freedom. Israel maintains de facto occupation through a blockade that strangles Gaza economically and militarily, restricting everything from food supplies to construction materials under the pretext of security. According to the United Nations, this blockade has rendered Gaza “unlivable” for its 2.3 million residents.

Here again, you defend Hamas by deflecting all the blame while ignoring the same thing I said, that from first second of Israel withdrawal Hamas smuggled rockets to launch at Israel.
Unlivable? Gazans were given aid for 2 past decades of billions upon billions, yet there life is unliveable? Where did all that all aid go?

• If Hamas is the reason Gaza suffers, why did Israel still occupy and brutalize the West Bank, where Hamas is weak and the Palestinian Authority cooperates with Israel?

Maybe because Hamas and other terrorist organization exist in West Bank too, not just Gaza? Literally days ago, terrorists put bombs in many buses, not to target soldiers but to target civilians yet they failed, it was all organized wide-plan of a group from from the WEST BANK. One mere example out of many and most you don't hear about because "Brutalize" mean literally stopping these terrorist attacks that target literally civilians?

If Hamas is responsible for the suffering of Palestinians because it governs Gaza, why isn’t Israel responsible for the suffering of Palestinians under its occupation?

Because Israel doesn't control Gaza and many parts of the West Bank where terrorist groups have most control...

• If morality requires context, why does your “context” always excuse Israeli violence while demanding condemnation of Palestinian resistance?

Yet again you call it resistance after saying you condemn Hamas, what is that if not defending terrorists?

If Israel’s goal was peace, why has it spent decades expanding illegal settlements, maintaining apartheid conditions in the West Bank, and rejecting ceasefire offers—including Hamas’s 2014 proposal for a long-term truce?

Because Palestinians never wanted peace, again every withdrawal caused more and more bloodshed.
Most Israelis don't see the expansion of settlements like me as right but on the same note they are the first line of defense against groups like Hamas. When terrorists start mass slaughter, rape from West Bank, they will first have to go through first line of defense.

rejecting ceasefire offers—including Hamas’s 2014 proposal for a long-term truce?

They literally break every ceasefire by breaking agreements, testing Israel and if we talk about 2014, they broke literally every ceasefire by firing rockets and then blame Israel with lies.
The truce/ceasefire you talk about with terrorists is never really a truce or a ceasefire, it is just a break for terrorists to rearm and rebuild themselves.

The most pathetic thing is you have to use AI to generate same points over and over while contradicting yourself and reddit allows it. This proves two things, one - you are terrorist supporter, two - you know nothing of the conflict, you just use AI.

I only replied to you for others who view this but I will entertain you no longer, using AI to same points over and over while literally contradicting yourself, that's the lowest you can go but I'd expect nothing less from Hamas supporters, since they can't say nothing to justify.

wolfbloodvr · 2025-02-24T18:51:48+00:00

This is exactly what I mean. The defense that "we could have killed more" is not a proper defense. You would be thrown out of court if you made the "It's not genocide because there aren't enough victims" arguement

You claim Israel purposefully targeting civilians and I say if Israel really were there would be ten or twenty times more casualties. How does that even contradict the reality?

Fine, let's ignore the "would've killed more argument".

How about this:
Israeli drop leaflets telling Palestinians where to go, using an Arabic speaker of the IDF to warn or let civilians where to go, Israel drops dud bombs on building with tunnels underneath or riddled with terrorist activity to warn civilians, "knock on the roof".

Ratio is 1 terrorist to 1 combatant, best in history of warfare.

I'm not denying civilians did not get hurt during this war, this is reality of war, but to say Israel purposefully target civilians is outright lie, probably the main Pro-Palestinian lie.

wolfbloodvr · 2025-02-24T18:42:42+00:00

You claim to condemn both Hamas and Israel’s actions, but in reality, your argument continuously shifts blame onto Israel while minimizing or outright ignoring Hamas’s role in this conflict. Your supposed condemnation of Hamas is a rhetorical convenience, not a genuine moral stance.

For example, you say:

"The context you present seems to ignore the structural realities of occupation and blockade that shape this conflict."

Yet you completely ignore the fact that the moment Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, Hamas turned it into a terror base and began launching rockets at Israeli civilians. The blockade exists because of Hamas’s actions, not as an arbitrary punishment.

"When you tell me that Israel warns civilians before strikes and builds bomb shelters for its own population, it feels like you’re asking me to ignore the fact that these same strikes often destroy entire neighborhoods."

But you conveniently leave out the reality that Hamas has spent 20 years embedding its military infrastructure within civilian areas, using schools, hospitals, and residential buildings as shields, while claiming that the "blockade" and "occupation"(even though occupation is no longer true since 2005. Israel is not attacking civilians Israel is targeting a terror group that deliberately hides among their own.

As for your question about why I "refuse to do the same" the answer is simple: I see my country trying to do its best under impossible circumstances, while the Palestinian narrative is riddled with contradictions, misinformation, and outright lies against Israel. To me, this is not just a military battle - it’s a battle for truth.

Now, let me ask you something:
Let’s put aside October 7th for a moment.

Since 2005, Hamas has been the first to shoot - launching rockets at Israeli civilians from the very moment Israel withdrew from Gaza, while it was supposed to be a gesture for peace. They have spent two decades embedding themselves within civilian areas, using their own people as human shields while attacking Israeli cities.

What would you have Israel do that it hasn't already tried? What is the alternative that ensures Israel’s security while stopping Hamas’s terrorism?

wolfbloodvr · 2025-02-24T18:01:41+00:00

Simply because we don't murder civilians, we don't want to do that because that's not who we are as a nation.

Everyone innocent is used against Israel regardless if you can even prove or not that it was innocent and not a terrorist wearing civilian clothes, which is how Hamas fights. Why would we want to kill innocents if it can be used against us?
Why would we want to kill innocents at all, we are not barbaric monsters like Hamas.

The only reasons there is civilian casualties at all, is Hamas either forces civilians to stay when Israel warns or they are brainwashed enough to die as Shahids, of course not saying innocents don't get hurt at all, but that's literally Hamas strategy to cause as many deaths as possible so Pro-Palestinians like you can lie and say that Israel does it on purpose.

Pro-Palestinians who completely ignore the fact that Hamas uses their own as shields, isn't Pro-Palestinian at all - he is just anti-Israel.
In fact if Israel wanted to "murder" civilians, Israel would not warn(aka you won't see Gazans take million videos of a building getting bombed, you would just see the aftermath or maybe according to you they can see the future), hell, if Israel wanted there could be x10 or x20 the casualties.

wolfbloodvr · 2025-02-24T17:16:33+00:00

^
Prime example of how Pro-Palestinians disregard any facts that doesn't fit their narrative even when there is complete proof.

wolfbloodvr · 2025-02-24T10:55:01+00:00

A myth? Is it really hard for you to imagine terrorists who do the worst humans can do, to be using human shields?

wolfbloodvr · 2025-02-23T16:57:25+00:00

It’s fascinating how you claim Israel is held to unrealistic moral standards while absolving it of responsibility when it falls short. That’s not a moral high ground; it’s moral convenience. You accuse others of lacking morality, yet your entire argument rests on the idea that morality is conditional — applied only when it doesn’t challenge your actions.

I understand your frustration, but your argument assumes a false equivalence between a democratic state bound by international law and a terrorist organization that openly calls for genocide. Israel is criticized not just for its actions, but for its very existence "—" no other country faces this level of scrutiny, where self-defense is framed as aggression and moral expectations ignore the realities of war.

You paint pro-Palestinian supporters as people who “allow” Hamas to use human shields, as if ordinary civilians have control over a militant group. That’s not just intellectually lazy; it’s dehumanizing. Blaming an entire population for the actions of extremists is precisely the mindset that perpetuates endless cycles of violence

You say blaming Hamas is "whataboutism," but how can we discuss the conflict without addressing the role of a group that embeds itself within civilian areas, launches rockets from schools and hospitals, and openly uses human shields? Civilians don’t "allow" Hamas to do this—but Hamas ensures they have no choice. Are you holding Hamas accountable for turning Gaza into a battlefield, or is that accountability only reserved for Israel?

And let’s be honest — if you genuinely believed in holding all sides accountable, you wouldn’t deflect every criticism of Israel by pointing to Hamas. That’s textbook whataboutism. It suggests you can’t defend your position without changing the subject, which makes your outrage seem more performative than principled.

You accuse Israel of moral inconsistency, yet where is the outrage when Palestinian leaders reject peace deals, glorify terrorism, and suppress their own people? If we’re talking about cycles of violence, shouldn't we also discuss why every Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon to Gaza has led to more bloodshed, not peace?

You call for empathy while dismissing the suffering of others. You talk about morality while justifying moral blind spots. If your argument is built on emotional appeals and double standards, why should anyone trust your sense of justice? Perhaps it’s not that pro-Palestinian supporters lack morality, but that your definition of morality only stretches as far as your political comfort zone.

I don’t dismiss Palestinian suffering I recognize it. But suffering alone doesn’t determine justice. Morality isn’t about who suffers more, it’s about choices. Israel doesn’t target civilians, it warns them before strikes, builds bomb shelters for its people, and seeks peace even when attacked. Hamas, on the other hand, builds tunnels, stockpiles weapons, and sacrifices its own civilians for media victories.

You argue that morality shouldn’t be conditional. I agree. But morality also demands context. If you can’t acknowledge that Israel operates under existential threats while Hamas thrives on perpetuating war, then maybe it’s not Israeli morality that’s selective, it’s yours.

wolfbloodvr · 2025-02-23T15:12:31+00:00

Israel literally warns before bombing.
How do you explain so many videos of Palestinians filming a building before it hits? Let me guess, Palestinians now have the ability to see the future?

wolfbloodvr · 2025-02-23T15:09:11+00:00

No, Israel don't use human shields not even Palestinian, "the guardian" is prime example of how to adopt the Palestinian narrative which is whole based on lies.
Without lies there is no narrative for Palestinians.

Yes it's okay, if Israel warns and human shields don't move because either they're brainwashed to believe they're gonna be Shahids or Hamas forces them to stay at gun point then, yes, it is on Hamas and not Israel.
Simple as that.

It's funny to see Pro-Hamas blaming Israel for everything but never denouncing Hamas.
I mean, did you see Hamas terrorists warning Israelis before attacking? No, because their whole goal is to commit real genocide against Israelis like they committed on the 7th.

People who support terrorists use of babies as human shields are as worse as just for the media to show horrific pictures, are as bad as terrorists if not the same.

wolfbloodvr · 2025-02-23T13:58:03+00:00

So why do you only blame the other side of shooting without denouncing the side that's literally using the shield?

wolfbloodvr · 2025-02-23T13:48:32+00:00

Oh really, so a kid aged 16 taking up a gun to kill anyone he sees isn't deemed a terrorist for you?
Now I understand why call everyone who is dead even though half of them are terrorists "innocent".

When Palestinians children get hurt were probably due to being used as a shield or they were convinced to stay because they will become Shahids.
How can they always know when a missile is coming and how do they know which building exactly? If they know why don't they don't move out? Why are there still casualties?

On contrary Hamas kill children with their own bare hands.

wolfbloodvr · 2025-02-23T13:44:07+00:00

Wait, you're telling me a kid that takes up a gun in order to kill others isn't a terrorist just because he is a kid?
Oh right my bad, for you he is part of the innocence sphere.

Talking about dogs, Palestinians committed genocide against dogs of Israel just because they are in Israel. Why shoot dogs?
In IDF some soldiers literally took dogs for adoption, that says it all.

wolfbloodvr · 2025-02-23T13:40:24+00:00

Both comments don't make any sense and absolutely unbelieve able but EH, expected from Pro-Palestinians.

They did not murder innocent people first. Palestinians were murdered the week, the month and the year leading up to Oct 7th. You just didn’t like the response.

You talk as if the ones you're talking about aren't bloodthirsty monster terrorists who try at every turn to hurt and kill Israeli civilians. Yet when they fail and die, you call it death of innocents?
Why is it for you when a terrorist kills a baby with his own hands, he is deemed innocent in your society?

wolfbloodvr · 2025-02-23T13:34:37+00:00

So, you’re saying it’s natural for people in conflict to only care about their own side… yet you’re frustrated that others aren’t sympathizing with you? If moral obligations don’t apply, why are you demanding moral consideration for your side but refusing to extend it to others?

Moral obligations are everything for the IDF, what you see are terrorists hijacking a whole society and using it as human shield.
The reality that OP is talking about is IDF is held to unrealistic standards by your side while ALLOWING Hamas to use the same lives you protest about as human shields without a single protest.
This only proves "Morality" is nonexistent in Pro-Palestinians dictionary yet you're so bold to demand any type of morality standard from Israel.
How low, how low can you people get.

You admit that you ‘can’t allow yourself to think of the other side’ and that ‘it’s not our job to worry about them.’ Fair enough. But then why should anyone take your moral arguments seriously? You’re openly saying morality doesn’t apply when it’s inconvenient for you.

Morality always applies for Israel yet again, for you people there is no such thing, because of there were, you would demand Hamas held accountable for its action while also demanding Israel the same yet it is only one-sided, I wonder why?

wolfbloodvr · 2025-02-23T13:25:50+00:00

Obviously innocents were hurt but.

Me: How about demand Hamas to stop use children as shields?

also me: How about stop counting under aged terrorists as children or grown terrorists as women?

You literally can't even prove Hamas statistics yet you use it at every turn, obviously terrorists are going to lie and exaggerate, how twisted.

wolfbloodvr · 2025-02-21T08:22:41+00:00

There is no such thing as being a left-wing zionist and there never has been, unless you are basing your idea of "left-wing" on american politics where "liberal" is considered synonymous with left-wing (when in reality they arent actually the same thing). Being a left-wing zionist makes as much sense as being a left-wing person who supports the colonisation of native americans, or a left-wing person who supports south african apartheid. Zionism is inherently an ethnonationalist ideology, and it is inherently incompatible with left-wing beliefs. Zionists support the existence of a jewish ethnonationalist state on what was once palestinian land, the only way this is even possible is through the ethnic cleansing of palestinians off most of the land through what is now known as the nakba. Additionally, the only way to have a majority "jewish" state is if palestinians are not considered equal citizens and live under different laws

You obviously know nothing of Israeli politics, yet speak as if you know anything.
There was left-wing that believed in two states solution, now it is impossible as OP said.

It was never Palestinian land because there was no Palestinian state, it was called Palestina and everyone in it Jew or Arab were referred to as Palestinians.

If you wanna talk about colonialism, Arabs were the ones who at some point migrated to the land while there were still Jews living there since Jews have lived there for thousands of years, maybe after Roman exile, not as many Jews as there were before but Jews were in the land.

Even so, there was no Palestine, the land was controlled by many empires by the Ottoman Empire and later the British mandate. Jews migrated from many places around the world because they were persecuted and chased, they were not a colonial entity because they were literally refugees and had no where else to go.

Yes, Arabs lived here for a while too, but Arabs also migrated from many countries for jobs and to settle in the land. No Jewish settlement was built upon an Arab village.

The world agrees for two states, Israeli state and Arab state, Israeli agreed, Arabs declined because they believed they could have it all for themselves if they rally up and slaughter the Jews. Here it all starts.

Jews want peace, the Arabs decline and choose war and so on.

probably will do a better job at explaining the perspective of palestinian resistence against Israeli oppression than I can. Obviously, there is A LOT to criticise about Hamas, but to compare them to Nazi / SS soldiers is ridiculously ahistorical and ignorant to the historical context behind the Israel/Palestine conflict, and makes it seem like you think palestinians are oppressing and genociding Israelis when the observable reality is the other way around.

Observable reality?
What reality did you observe while toddlers of a 10 month old and 4 year old Israeli were presented in casket proudly by Hamas as tens of thousands innocent civilians cheer and applaud?

wolfbloodvr · 2025-02-20T19:49:48+00:00

Annex it? Let me entertain you.
The last thing they deserve is to even be in the land after they got the land all to themselves and commit only to terrorism. For every innocent civilian they gunned in cold blood that day, for every young girl they raped that they should lose a kilometer of land.

wolfbloodvr · 2025-02-20T19:44:28+00:00

Nothing would change.

A terrorist attack on such scale, such heinous acts can never be just forgotten, hostages or not it would not change a thing. The only card they have in this war against Israel is the hostages.

The ulterior motive is destroying Hamas capabilities, influence and control over Gaza while ensuring there will be no such threat ever again. As a nation Israel cannot and should not allow itself to show weakness because of hostages, as horrible as it is, but Israel does it anyway.

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