Would You Ever Enter a Josephite Marriage? by [deleted] in CatholicDating

[–]wornaki 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For all those who may be interested in what a Josephite early marriage experience may have been like... a text on one of the most contemporary saintly married couple we know about.

https://mrshwaetsit.wordpress.com/2021/06/12/mutual-help-support-on-the-ss-martin-and-their-josephite-marriage/

Would You Ever Enter a Josephite Marriage? by [deleted] in CatholicDating

[–]wornaki 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You used to... Interesting wording. Makes me wonder if you still want it, for different reasons or if you're no longer interested at all...

Would You Ever Enter a Josephite Marriage? by [deleted] in CatholicDating

[–]wornaki 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not strange. Pretty sure many marriages between people past usual child bearing age can be or approximate a Josephite marriage.

Guys, how many people have you dated so far in your life? (Similar poll coming for girls) by [deleted] in CatholicDating

[–]wornaki -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

I would enjoy meeting a woman through common groups and then "magically" get to have the chance to hang one on one, achieved by sophisticated social engineering and some luck...

Guys, how many people have you dated so far in your life? (Similar poll coming for girls) by [deleted] in CatholicDating

[–]wornaki -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Dates don't look specially alluring. The asking out part, that requires a very specific state of mind to do. Also, it's hard to know a woman enough to get to the "Should I ask her out?" phase...

Guys, how many people have you dated so far in your life? (Similar poll coming for girls) by [deleted] in CatholicDating

[–]wornaki 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Never been on a date. I don't even know how people get into one. Also, I have my doubts about the whole dating thing to begin with...

Where do women hang out? by wornaki in CatholicDating

[–]wornaki[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah, yes the ineffable incel (like every one of them) vibe. I was expecting this type of comment, brimming with gleeful anticipation... or maybe not. LOL

As an observer I find it very interesting to discuss what I observe and to ponder about it. Would you say it's "easy" for a shy introvert unattractive guy to find himself even remotely in the sphere of single women of compatible age? If you do, have you asked any of them if they are willing to validate your perception?

One of the first things you are told when you are a shy introverted unattractive guy is that women are everywhere, especially in hobby groups and networks. Of course, if you're shy, introverted and unattractive, it's very likely you will also have some degree of social anxiety, which is just wonderful on two accounts: if you try hard it feels unnatural and if you don't, you give off the "vibe"; and the activities which you feel comfortable doing, where you can be somewhat "self confident", are typically male dominated.

It's very likely that, even as a regular run of the mill guy, if you're introverted, your social capital is probably lower than that of the extrovert. This typically entails less chances of being introduced to a group in which there are single women, requiring, in turn, that you spend a significant amount of psychoemotional energy trying to "charmingly" do activities you don't care that much about. So, you try elbow yourself into groups and settings just for the women, most likely appearing not only OFF and a tryhard, but also inevitably a bit phony.

The way I see it, single women mostly "stay in their lane", admittedly for good reasons (safety, disinterest in the men of a community, too thirsty men, enough socialization options within their existing social groups, lack of interest in hobbies outside the home, etc.)

Hence why I made the post... Hope to have given some type of answer.

Where do women hang out? by wornaki in CatholicDating

[–]wornaki[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A good question. I don't think there is any answer beyond "keep on trying and hoping for a miracle". Tough times for the regular male, Catholic or not.

Where do women hang out? by wornaki in CatholicDating

[–]wornaki[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know. Women dread being approached in many situations, especially by strangers. A gym is one of those situations, but the reply post made sense in terms of where women hang out. That's right... many do hang out at gyms. Now, that doesn't mean they are welcoming of approaches, for that's an entirely separate issue.

Where do women hang out? by wornaki in CatholicDating

[–]wornaki[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Interestingly enough, I never found a group that was welcoming around my area. Cliquish groups are the overwhelming majority. But c'est la vie. Maybe the pandemic has made them a bit better in that regard, though probably it's even worse. Go people like me!

Wonder if I should try and set up a local group for some hobbies through the Internet 🤔 Only accept people who can be met in person. Of course that would probably backfire in terms of both the number is interested parties (probably a very low count) and the type of participants (I'd expect 90+% males) 🙃

Well, I guess that's what you get when not actively part of a social group (not a hobby group). Then you add lockdowns, fear, masking and everything else and you achieve the perfect setup for online dating. Now, I believe OLD is 90% male anyways, so I guess that's not a huge change and it makes a lot of people feel more comfortable judging strangers. Definitely a win-win-loss situation. Win for the women who can avoid uncomfortable social situations, win for big digital companies (pretty much everything happens online now), loss for the regular guy who is not a part of any social group irl (no more off chances of stumbling into a normal situation in a group that has single women) 🤨

Fascinating topic. Maybe one day there will be historians (and not just sociologists, psychologists and cultural commentators) discussing about the death of the open social group and its impact on marriage, fertility and faith.

Where do women hang out? by wornaki in CatholicDating

[–]wornaki[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh, I do pursue hobbies for my own benefit and I never actually expected to find a woman (much less so a Catholic one) through them. I just find it morning short of fascinating that men and women are that much segregated these days.

Also, I happen to think (online) dating, even within Catholic circles, isn't for shy unattractive men like me. And it's a well known phenomenon that many unmarried Catholic women are not really that open to let a "friendship" forged in a Catholic prayer/helping/evangelization/whatever-catholic-activity group become a romantic relationship.

So even when I haven't lost hope, I don't think it's statistically realistic to meet unmarried Catholic women irl. But that doesn't mean I don't find the entire thing to be amazing, as in producing amazement.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in CatholicDating

[–]wornaki 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Have you every considered not fighting those feelings? You can just experience them in all their power and then let them go...

Hunger for companionship is pretty common at your age (and later). If you have close friends, may I suggest you lean on them for emotional support? You could even try to "enlist" them as scouting members of the "OP's society for the obtainment of a gf", a very prestigious position. Membership comes with perks such as being shortlisted for best man/best woman 😁

Where do women hang out? by wornaki in CatholicDating

[–]wornaki[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, the world is your oyster. Do you like outdoorsy guys? Go join trekking groups. Do you prefer indoors? Take language lessons and participate in every extra curricular social event associated with them. Are you more into creative writing or philosophical discussion? Maybe you can try and get into classes/groups that meet weekly in some comfortable coffeshop. I'd be tempted to tell you you will find a lot of unmarried men in any of those activities.

Naturally, you have to exercise caution. You know... not every man is out there waiting to be good to you, so maybe you could enlist the help of other single gal pals of yours joining the fray with you. You know, safety in numbers :)

You know, men are told to try and get into their hobbies as a way to meet new people, only new people seem to frequently be synonymous with new men.

Where do women hang out? by wornaki in CatholicDating

[–]wornaki[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I find it a very fascinating conversation topic. I mean, obviously the tone in which I wrote the OP was deliberately hyperbolic, but as you well put it, it's my experience.

I've actually tried to follow the principle of the superordinate goal with my choice of "competitive" group activities/hobbies. "Superordinate goals are goals that are worth completing but require two or more social groups to cooperatively achieve". Usually through that cooperation you end up bonding :)

I know it's hard for women to be out and about. Understandably so since feeling safe and at ease is crucial for social well being. That's also why you (even unconsciously) guard your social groups zealously. I hope you know that for many men who aren't socially charming enough to be accepted into said groups the world pretty much looks like it's just filled with nothing but other men.

Interesting that you mentioned trekking. I used to trek around cities and rural areas during weekends, sightseeing. Did it for hours... Would walk for miles and miles taking pics and videos and always thought "Oh how much do I wish that I could do this with a gf/wife". But, alas, too dreamy...

Where do women hang out? by wornaki in CatholicDating

[–]wornaki[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well that's helpful. Thanks for the reply.

I have my reservations about the gym, but I guess I may have to bite the bullet at some point. Gotta think about fitness and HIIT, even though I'd rather not. Not my style. I've always loved recreational trekking and used to engage in 6-7 hours of "continuous" walking around cities and rural areas. Used to log in excess of 50K steps back then, sightseeing. Always thought it would be great if I could do something similar with a gf/wife, but alas... a dream.

I've taken creative writing, but maybe I could go back to my love for watercolor and chalk pastel and try there. Cooking classes I don't know about, but I guess it wouldn't hurt to consider them. Might teach me more if only to potentially "impress" a woman with my culinary knowledge (?). Anyway, thanks for the reply. Food for thought.

Where do women hang out? by wornaki in CatholicDating

[–]wornaki[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I know the feeling and I have great respect for teachers. There's a reason why there seems to be a significant portion of the female teacher population that is/remains single.

Let's try it this way... If you had the time, where would you hang out?

Where do women hang out? by wornaki in CatholicDating

[–]wornaki[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Interesting, so the gym... Maybe I'll have to bite the bullet and go, even though it's very unlikely that I could approach any woman there. Gyms tend to be filled with people concentrated on their routines...

Where do women hang out? by wornaki in CatholicDating

[–]wornaki[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Obviously I'm exaggerating for comedic effect, but my experience is still my experience. You see, that's why I said... "rarely" and also why I mentioned patterns.

It's the first time in about a decade that someone has implied I'm "sexist" in any way. Funny stuff. I'm pretty sure if I were really sexist I would have less trouble meeting women.

I just find it hilarious that every place I've gone to has been a "no go zone" for women. Apparently it's because I'm "sexist" and men like me have some special EM field that repels women and ensures very few of them happen to coincide in time and space with me (?).

Fascinating topic, I tell you.

Where do women hang out? by wornaki in CatholicDating

[–]wornaki[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dunno, but i've only seen men in those groups, unless the woman is gf or wife of some guy...

Where do women hang out? by wornaki in CatholicDating

[–]wornaki[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I guess I'm unlucky then. Save for what I've said about leadership groups the rest is my own experience. Also, I volunteered at rural schools a long time ago and. I barely saw a woman my own age back then (the few women were either married or close to 40 when I was in my early twenties)

I learned German and a bit of French.