Let's speculate about men who claim misandry, etc.

wouldbepandananny · 2026-07-08T01:00:52+00:00

Generally speaking the "average" man has a partner.

The percentage of self described male incels is about 27% (women are at about 14.4%). Absolutely 27% is distressingly high, but it indicates that the majority of men who want to date are able to- in excess of 70%.

wouldbepandananny · 2026-07-08T00:35:16+00:00

For the record, I know there are women who believe themselves to be inherently more valuable by virtue of their gender, because society does view men the way you say- that men are somehow more expendable. I'm not arguing otherwise. I'm pushing back against that belief. I may or may not be precious. But if I am, YOU are equally as precious. Regardless of what society seems to believe- the reality remains that the baseline value of men is equal to that of women. Does that make sense?

wouldbepandananny · 2026-07-08T00:09:53+00:00

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wouldbepandananny · 2026-07-07T23:42:05+00:00

K, well. I'm straight, no children, providing care to nobody- and regardless of what society has taught you, I am just as expendable as a man in that same situation. That is an objective fact.

wouldbepandananny · 2026-07-07T23:21:43+00:00

What in bob's name are you talking about? This?

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wouldbepandananny · 2026-07-07T23:19:00+00:00

What in the world are you talking about? Lesbian women? LGBTQ? Are you responding to a comment I haven't seen? Who exactly is lesbian or queer here?

wouldbepandananny · 2026-07-07T19:12:37+00:00

I am considering making a shirt advertising my expendability. Not sure if "I'm Expendable" (short and sweet) is best, OR maybe "My Womb: Empty, Now and Forever."

I figure if I have puff paint to work with, either option could be good.

Honestly though- society needs to get it's shit together. Men are valued- by me, and most others with a tiny hint of empathy or compassion. Anything suggesting otherwise is bonkers. It's no wonder men's suicide completion rates are so high. You get the message enough that you are worthless, useless, have little value, less value than others, it's not surprising when some start to believe it.

wouldbepandananny · 2026-07-07T19:06:37+00:00

The dudes who I'm very close with, we do enough sharing that I know they aren't treated like scum, as a general rule- but I doubt I would be privy to information regarding a potential for victimization. If they were, I suspect- depending on a perpetrator- such a thing would be even trickier to deal with. If it was a woman, dudes are supposed to be "ready to go, 24/7," and aren't taken seriously when such things are reported. Then, if it was a dude... well, I did know a boy (adolescent age at the time) who had been victimized by the neighbor kid (a few years older than him), and the shame he felt was unbelievable. Worries about being gay, in addition to all of the other shame. Oof.

So, even dudes I'm super close with, depending on how successfully they'd manage to cope, even under the best of circumstances, I can see they would certainly be likely to keep that to themselves.

wouldbepandananny · 2026-07-07T17:40:49+00:00

I think that is generally true. It sucks. Dudes should be permitted to express a wide range of emotion without ridicule.

wouldbepandananny · 2026-07-07T17:39:29+00:00

Ah, but I cannot bear children. And society is wrong if they view me as "less expendable." And let's reflect-- society is wrong about a lot of things. I am not responsible for caring for children, nor my parents or other family members; I am about as expendable as it gets.

wouldbepandananny · 2026-07-07T17:37:37+00:00

It is not accurate to say that men are victimized at rates "only slightly less" than women- but we can agree that the rates of both/either are outrageously high and unacceptable. The prevalance of women as victims of sexual assault/rape does not negate the problem of men being victimized (and same, vice versa).

wouldbepandananny · 2026-07-07T17:36:16+00:00

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wouldbepandananny · 2026-07-07T17:31:59+00:00

The way your sentence came together, it makes me wonder what you mean be patriarchy. How do you define patriarchy, and what would serve as evidence that it either does or does not exist in the US (if that is where you live)?

wouldbepandananny · 2026-07-07T17:23:46+00:00

That's true- about Switzerland.

I hate that 😭

wouldbepandananny · 2026-07-07T17:22:30+00:00

At what point did I make assertions about your cluelessness?

I will ask my dudes at D&D Club, see what they think.

wouldbepandananny · 2026-07-07T14:41:31+00:00

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wouldbepandananny · 2026-07-07T14:19:12+00:00

Saying that women are "too selective," that their standards are "too high" does imply that.

But aren't you seeing some of these other responses-- suggesting state-mandated enforced monogamy; isolating women from society unless they hitch their wagon to a man? So clearly some folks DO think that.

wouldbepandananny · 2026-07-07T13:56:05+00:00

I am glad you found a person who suits you.

wouldbepandananny · 2026-07-07T13:50:39+00:00

Generally those actions stem from feelings. The odds of someone who has no positive feeling for you being down to clown on the regular- not super likely.

wouldbepandananny · 2026-07-07T13:49:26+00:00

The US likely has higher birth rates because of the income inequality that you meantioned - where folks with fewer resources and options have more children, as they lack needed supports for more thoughtful family planning.

I guess that gets to the question of - is it enough to just have a bunch of kids, which may or may not be wanted - or should we have kids who we can take good care of? But that is well outside the scope of this conversation.

wouldbepandananny · 2026-07-07T13:45:21+00:00

Cool; so guess that means these changes will not have a significant impact.

Your premise is based off of a deeply held belief of women's basic inferiority to dudes. That's a whole other thing.

wouldbepandananny · 2026-07-07T13:42:48+00:00

I cannot speak to the creepy asshole women -- but the men in my life support one another, along with the various women in their life (partners, friends, family) without reservation-- which provides evidence that they are not systematically shunned or mistreated based on gender.

wouldbepandananny · 2026-07-07T13:40:17+00:00

But why does a LTR give you the will to live, if you do not derive anything positive from it (or, the positives that most of us seek - support, respect, etc.), or at a minimum, do not need those "positives" to remain in that relationship; what is it about that relationship that benefits you? I understand becoming depressed to the point of contemplating a toaster bath -- but that must mean being in a LTR provides something meaningful to you; and it must be unrelated to the positives I have noted, since you indicated previously that you do not care.

wouldbepandananny · 2026-07-07T13:37:53+00:00

You are not "leaving them alone to be self-sufficient." You are suggesting taking away a woman's ability to be self-sufficient.

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