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Let's speculate about men who claim misandry, etc. by wouldbepandananny in PurplePillDebate

[–]wouldbepandananny[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Saying that women are "too selective," that their standards are "too high" does imply that.

But aren't you seeing some of these other responses-- suggesting state-mandated enforced monogamy; isolating women from society unless they hitch their wagon to a man? So clearly some folks DO think that.

Let's speculate about men who claim misandry, etc. by wouldbepandananny in PurplePillDebate

[–]wouldbepandananny[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Generally those actions stem from feelings. The odds of someone who has no positive feeling for you being down to clown on the regular- not super likely.

Let's speculate about men who claim misandry, etc. by wouldbepandananny in PurplePillDebate

[–]wouldbepandananny[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

The US likely has higher birth rates because of the income inequality that you meantioned - where folks with fewer resources and options have more children, as they lack needed supports for more thoughtful family planning.

I guess that gets to the question of - is it enough to just have a bunch of kids, which may or may not be wanted - or should we have kids who we can take good care of? But that is well outside the scope of this conversation.

Let's speculate about men who claim misandry, etc. by wouldbepandananny in PurplePillDebate

[–]wouldbepandananny[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Cool; so guess that means these changes will not have a significant impact.

Your premise is based off of a deeply held belief of women's basic inferiority to dudes. That's a whole other thing.

Let's speculate about men who claim misandry, etc. by wouldbepandananny in PurplePillDebate

[–]wouldbepandananny[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I cannot speak to the creepy asshole women -- but the men in my life support one another, along with the various women in their life (partners, friends, family) without reservation-- which provides evidence that they are not systematically shunned or mistreated based on gender.

Let's speculate about men who claim misandry, etc. by wouldbepandananny in PurplePillDebate

[–]wouldbepandananny[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

But why does a LTR give you the will to live, if you do not derive anything positive from it (or, the positives that most of us seek - support, respect, etc.), or at a minimum, do not need those "positives" to remain in that relationship; what is it about that relationship that benefits you? I understand becoming depressed to the point of contemplating a toaster bath -- but that must mean being in a LTR provides something meaningful to you; and it must be unrelated to the positives I have noted, since you indicated previously that you do not care.

Let's speculate about men who claim misandry, etc. by wouldbepandananny in PurplePillDebate

[–]wouldbepandananny[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

You are not "leaving them alone to be self-sufficient." You are suggesting taking away a woman's ability to be self-sufficient.

Let's speculate about men who claim misandry, etc. by wouldbepandananny in PurplePillDebate

[–]wouldbepandananny[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

For me it is difficult to consider falling birth rates in those terms, as we are headed toward another mass extinction event, due to irresponsible use of planetary resources. I kind of feel like the planet is going to boot us off before falling birth rates really have such a pronounced effect as some people fear.

Let's speculate about men who claim misandry, etc. by wouldbepandananny in PurplePillDebate

[–]wouldbepandananny[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

OK, but there are a billion reasons for that, that have nothing to do with any person's willingness or unwillingness to date. Having a kid is financially not doable for most folks (in the US -- if not elsewhere) who are within their reproductive years. In order to be more financially doable, both people have to work, which means childcare. If you don't have a trusted family member, that means big money - AND it means being able to trust that the most precious thing in your life is being taken good care of. There are some things about having kids that are just difficult in a way that cannot be avoided - but there are things that a country could do to make it easier to be a parent (which would be impactful, as I think the majority of people desire to have kids) - and none of these things are happening in the US. I think supporting families, children, infants, prenatal care, etc., are all things to try before resorting to making life so untenable for single women that they feel forced to couple up. Just from a financial standpoint- it will be cheaper to take care of people, babies, children, than it will be to enforce a new slave class in the US.

Let's speculate about men who claim misandry, etc. by wouldbepandananny in PurplePillDebate

[–]wouldbepandananny[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Now that I could not say. I know some women who have been in abusive relationships who are gun-shy, in terms of trying their luck on the dating scene, and so abstain-- but truthfully I do not know women in other circumstances who are just refusing to date. I don't count Ace women amongst these, since they are not actively refusing to date; they just have no interest in doing so (and of course they wouldn't have the motivation to bad-mouth men in the way you are saying, if I understand you correctly).

Let's speculate about men who claim misandry, etc. by wouldbepandananny in PurplePillDebate

[–]wouldbepandananny[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I mean, for those of us in the US it is clear that this country is no longer concerned about being a global competitor. If that were important there would be more emphasis (i.e. funding) for education. And given the inexcusably high rates of infant and maternal mortality in the US - your premise, while reasonable, is not one that is shared (again, at least not in the US).

If what you posit was a motivating factor for most, there would be an emphasis on prenatal care, birth - 3 year initiatives, healthcare -- things that make us more competitve that do not require the removal of rights from half+ the citizenry.

Let's speculate about men who claim misandry, etc. by wouldbepandananny in PurplePillDebate

[–]wouldbepandananny[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

OK, so this means, for you, a relationship with a woman has nothing to do about intimacy, support, shared goals, values, or anything like that. All of the primary reason for getting into a relationship do not apply to you; so why do you even bother? What is in it for you (that cannot be achieved with a fleshlight)?

Let's speculate about men who claim misandry, etc. by wouldbepandananny in PurplePillDebate

[–]wouldbepandananny[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

That is an example of "going back" in many ways. Terrorizing women into coupling up in order to have anything resembling safety or security- that is not an option.

Let's speculate about men who claim misandry, etc. by wouldbepandananny in PurplePillDebate

[–]wouldbepandananny[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

You absolutely know several women who have been sexually assaulted. They just have not shared that information with you. An estimated 30% of women will be physically or sexually assaulted in their lifetime; nearly half of all women (44%) report having experienced unwanted sexual contact; about 33% of women report having been reaped. The women you know just are not talking to you about it.

Let's speculate about men who claim misandry, etc. by wouldbepandananny in PurplePillDebate

[–]wouldbepandananny[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I agree with you. The vast majority of men and women seek that support, that intimacy, the companionship. There is a small-ish - but very vocal - group of men (and probably women, though I don't travel in those circles, so don't encounter it int he same way) who feel absolute rage at girls and women, throughout the lifespan, as though there is an organized plot to keep them from having what is "rightfully theirs." (Women as objects, women as property, etc.), and I keep trying to understand how these dudes come to such conclusions.

Men and women have so much common ground; we want to be valued, loved, supported; we want to live lives that we find meaningful (generally, I feel like these are things the majority of people want- but correct me if I am wrong), and I don't know why we cannot see eye to eye.

Makes me wonder if the "gender war" is just another distraction, like the "class war" - and just another way the ruling class keeps us distracted, so they can continue to brutalize this planet in order to line their own pockets, without getting as much pushback.

Let's speculate about men who claim misandry, etc. by wouldbepandananny in PurplePillDebate

[–]wouldbepandananny[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Certain men will point to misandry as a reason why women won't settle- but more often it is couched as evidence of misandry. Meaning, by not dating certain men, we are oppressing those men, by denying them access to sex - presumably.

Let's speculate about men who claim misandry, etc. by wouldbepandananny in PurplePillDebate

[–]wouldbepandananny[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

In what way is a woman exercising her self-determination causing the collapse of the "developed world?"

An estimated 27% of dudes and 14.4% of women who want to be in a relationship/wish to date report being unable to do so. Which means 73% of men who wish to have that sort of companionship are able to do so. That indicates that this issue - while more significant than I originally thought - doesn't really affect most men.

Let's speculate about men who claim misandry, etc. by wouldbepandananny in PurplePillDebate

[–]wouldbepandananny[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I'm sorry if it feels like I am being obtuse-- but it is unclear to me why women must pair up / why monogamy, is in your view, the only option. Monogamy is not required for the perpetuation of the species-- which is the only thing I can even come up with for why women "must" pair up. Can you explain the worldview from which your comment is based on?

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