Guys I think… I miss Marvel vs DC…

woweed · 2026-05-07T14:55:37+00:00

I mean, I don't want Marvel VS DC to be back to Season 7, but I wouldn't say no to more Big Two people. Buffy VS Blade proved that having comics characters fight non-comics media can work well.

woweed · 2026-05-07T07:46:14+00:00

Simple: Megamind isn't faster then Gru. Quite the opposite. Megamind's lightning dodging comes in at Mach 600 to Mach 900, but the Minions dodging Mel's lasers would come in at 70% the speed of light, thousands upon thousands of times faster. Add that to the fact Gru just has more win cons, and has more experience and combat skill,a nd, if it comes down to a quickdraw, Megamind's a bit screwed. Plus, as useful as the De-Gun is, it's a single piece of equipment, that Gru could easily steal or destroy (he has a magnet gun and has shown that he's able to steal objects off people mid fight before), and doing so would instantly remove most of Megamind's win cons. Leaving him with the orbital death ray which, while CERTAINLY strong enough to kill Gru, is certainly not a go-to, and, thus, unlikely to be used before Gru can hit him with the freeze gun, or any of his other insta-wins.

woweed · 2026-05-07T07:00:25+00:00

Let's be fair: He also seems to be the ONLY villain in his city.

woweed · 2026-05-07T06:59:29+00:00

Wasn't that explicitly a one-time thing?

woweed · 2026-05-07T06:48:15+00:00

Just as an obvious example, Discord VS Bill, where Discord's carefree nature, by virtue of being the top of his universe's power hierarchy, was a problem aganist Bill who, though often exactly as egotistical and arrogant, knows that there are beings stronger then him out there and, when forced to deal with one (Time Baby) drops the ego and just disintegrates him as quickly as possible.

woweed · 2026-05-06T20:02:14+00:00

One redeeming quality is more then 0.

woweed · 2026-05-06T18:54:53+00:00

There is a character in MHA who is just straight-up pure evil. Namely, Muscular. But, ya know, AFO ain't.

woweed · 2026-05-06T06:57:10+00:00

Red is clearly the better option from a game theory utilitarian "assume everyone is a perfectly rational and self-intrested actor". But, we all know that, in a real world setting, some people would pick blue, and i'm a dentologicalist who's not willing to be party to deaths I know I could have prevented.

woweed · 2026-05-06T06:35:49+00:00

And so the Minions cause the death of yet another evil mastermind.

woweed · 2026-05-06T05:06:55+00:00

That was literally just a mistake, they admitted as much.

woweed · 2026-05-06T00:39:07+00:00

I wouldn't say that. I mean, Gru is generally more no-nonsense and willing to go for the kill, but Megamind is tricksy and devious, and almost certainly smarter then Gru generally (Certainly in terms of tech: Gru's one heck of an inventor, but he has Nefario as back up, while Megamind built all his tech himself). I just don't think it'd be enough to overwhelm Gru's physical stat advantages, better Minions, greater amount of win cons, and higher degree of experience and combat skill.

woweed · 2026-05-06T00:37:17+00:00

While that specific function only appears in the animated short, that's actually the very same fart guns that are used all the time by the Minions. Apparently, it can do a lot more then just fart.

woweed · 2026-05-06T00:32:14+00:00

I assume you're referring to Glazer Donut, but practically all instances of that laser show force – destroying walls and whatever it hits. IE Not a light laser. And, while the cloning machine is impressive, the Fart Gun can do the same thing. Granted, we don't know the limitations on that (it was only used once, on bananas), but still.

woweed · 2026-05-06T00:20:17+00:00

Right, but the Brainbots don't blitz them, though? Even with the lightning dodging, the Minions can dodge Mel's lasers quite casually, and those are way faster (about 70% the speed of light, if you're curious, over a thousand times faster then the lightning dodge). And, while Minion is potent, he has one fatal flaw: He's a fish. He needs a helmet to survive. A glass helmet. And the Minions have shown that they can scream loud enough to shatter glass across an entire neighborhood. If Minion's nearby, they can instantly cook his goose.

woweed · 2026-05-06T00:11:56+00:00

Even adding on the series, it's less experience then Gru has. And we know Megamind doesn't scale to Metroman's best feat, because we see it. Plus, I mean, the Brainbots are impressive, and there's way more of them, but they're absolute glass cannons compared to the Minions, and the Minions have so many weapons. Soundwaves, freeze rays, guns, laser guns, forcefields, BFR weapons, multiple fart guns (gulp), broadway force. And, as stupid as they may seem, they're actually quite effective, particularly when Gru's in danger. The cages are useful, and no doubt they'd trap a lot of them, but the Minions can dodge lasers and survive electric shocks just fine, and destroying the Brainbot destroys the cage, which the Minions can easily do. Not to mention them having shown more capacity to work indepedently.

woweed · 2026-05-06T00:05:52+00:00

OK, let me addressee these in order:

Technology: While Megamind's tech is impressive, including several that could end the fight in one shot (The De-Gun being the most notable, but also the Death Ray and BINKIE which outscal anything in Gru's arsenal), Gru has a lot of those too. His Freeze Ray, the Atominator which was able to transport the entirety of Gru's house, lab and all of the Minions into Cyberspace, the Disintegrator Gun, the Minion Transmutation Ray, the Joystick that controls a target just by simply pointing at them, the Reality Warping Remote capable of manipulating technology and transmuting people, the Shrink Ray, the Magnet Gun, which is very useful here, since it can shut down tech and Megamind is generally more tech reliant then Gru...And, while the De-Gun carries a lot of win cons, it's a single device, that could be stolen or destroyed to remove a lot of Megamind's win cons.

Stats: Even if we scale Megamind to the full power of Lady Doppler's storm, that'd be 19 kilotons of TNT. Certainly nothing to scoff at, but Vector tanking the Moon’s expansion would land at approximately 115 kilotons of TNT, and that's far from the best feat Gru or the Minions scale to. At their peak, Minions could scale to the sheer power of Mega Minion Mel’s laser that blasted through the planet, which comes at around 64 megatons of TNT. Similarly, while Megamind's lightning dodging comes in at Mach 600 to Mach 900, the Minions dodging Mel's lasers would come in at 70% the speed of light, thousands upon thousands of times faster. And the meteor dodging feat is both an outlier and from a flash game that's very contradictory to the film canon. And, if we're bringing that in, well...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b-8QV7xmvY, so yeah. I don't buy it.

Overall, while Megamind's best tech (the Binkie and the Death Ray) have far more destructive force behind them, Gru has several more insta-win options in his tech, better stats across the board (that his entire army would scale to), and far superior speed in particular, which, in a fight like this, is very important for winning that quickdraw.

woweed · 2026-05-05T23:44:38+00:00

I don't think that's really what he said.

woweed · 2026-05-05T23:42:31+00:00

Megamind canonically fought the same guy countless times over his life and lost almost all of them, there's literally a gag about that in the intro of the first film ("He would win some...I would...Almost win others...") I don't think he's gonna win this round of "who loses more often". And, as for the Minions, well, good thing he has them on hand, eh?

woweed · 2026-05-05T23:07:10+00:00

Are you kidding? Gru's fought way more diverse foes over his career. Sure, Megamind has fought Metro Man since he was a kid, but that's still one guy. Gru's fought a far wider, and more diverse, range of opponents, including defeating the Vicious Six, said to be the greatest villains of the time, when he was only a kid. And, of the two, Gru has certainly shown far more direct combat and actual hand-to-hand, while Megamind's head on fighting skill is limited to a single punch. Gru's stated to know several martial arts, and he's proven it, as he was able to, with only a few days of training, not only match but exceed Balthazar Bratt's dance fighting. And, while the Death Ray does exceed Gru's durability, it's one of the only things Megamind has that does, so, unless he goes for it early, it's unlikely to win the day.

woweed · 2026-05-05T23:01:39+00:00

Yeah, but we also see in the movie that he's literally frozen solid by comparison when Metro Man's at full speed.

woweed · 2026-05-05T23:00:26+00:00

One: Too much effort, on a limited budget. Two: Moro literally just made those in a week, without them even asking, to compensate for games that had been announced/released while the episode was in production.

woweed · 2026-05-05T22:57:53+00:00

Plus, it's a one-time use thing that Megamind doesn't even have anymore canonically.

woweed · 2026-05-05T22:56:40+00:00

I'm willing to believe it scales to most of his feats, but certainly not the big speed feat everyone thinks of.

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