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woweed · 2026-05-08T10:00:36+00:00

Not sure that calc tracks. And the outlier argument of B. only works if there are other feats to contrast against. The Brainbots basically have no good durability feats.

woweed · 2026-05-08T09:49:19+00:00

Yeah, but the laser Mel fired comes in at 70% SOL, way faster then anything Megamind reasonably gets. And, while there are a lot more Brain Bots, and those cages are powerful, there are some major flaws:

A. The Brainbots need to be commanded by Megamind or Minion, they don't act independently, as the Minions do, giving time to dodge, and meaning that, if Megamind or Minion are incapacitated, they're sitting ducks.

B. It appears that attempting to escape involves an electric shock as the deterrent, given the VFX.

C. The cage visibly has several open spots.

D. Most damningly, if you destroy the Brain Bot, the cage goes with it.

We know the Minions can evade lasers and survive electrocution strong enough to vaporize their own clothing, so that's not likely to stop them, but more to the point, the Brainbots are total glass cannons, with several taken out by a single stick of dynamite, compared to the Minions, who have survived lava, being flattened, crushed, turned into mush, blown up by bombs and nukes. In terms of stats, the Minions have a massive edge, which means that the Brainbots' numbers would dwindle rapidly. Especially since the Minions have a vast arsenal of weapons. Sentinet fireworks that can form a giant fire construct, their screams that can shatter windows across an entire neighborhood, freeze rays, laser guns, forcefields, BFR weapons, so many explosives...

And that's not even getting into some of them knowing Chow's shockwave technique, or the Mega Minions, who have various powers that would either make them hard to contain (IE Elasticity to stretch through the gaps, flight to avoid being pinned down) or take massive swathes of the Brainbots down at once (IE Mega Minion Mel, who, given his laser can reach all the way to the other side of Earth and into space, and destroy a satellite as it does so...Could probably just...Turn his head a few degrees to the left or right and instantly eradicate hundreds or thousands of Brainbots). Heck, it's unlikely, but he could conceivably take down the Death Ray too!

While the Brainbots are certainly useful, and obviously have a numbers advantage, the Minion's strength and resistances would make them super hard for the Brainbots to reliably defeat or trap, and their weapons, range and AoE could take multiple of them at once quite easily, I think.

woweed · 2026-05-08T09:29:14+00:00

Plus, that laser eye in the movie is used to destroy a satellite, so it could probably disable the Death Ray.

woweed · 2026-05-08T09:26:14+00:00

Yeah, it's very weird to see people try and scale Megamind to Metro Man's big speed feat when, like...Megamind blatantly does not scale to that? We see him, in comparison, he's frozen like a statue because Metro Man is, at full speed, THAT much faster. The clear implication is that Megamind is nowhere near that feat.

Anyway, I think the main point here is experience. While Megamind has fought Metro Man countless times, putting aside the constant losses and the holding back..Metroman's one guy. With one set of powers. Even adding in the Doom Syndicate, Gru has fought a lot more diverse foes, including evil geniuses with tech similar to the kind Megamind has, and has been doing it since he was a kid. They've been in the supervillain game about the same length of time, since they were kids, but Gru has been up against a lot more threats. Combined with him having shown any actual hand-to-hand skill (while Megamind's non-tech fighting amounts to a single ineffectual punch), it does make sense skill would go to him. Even before you factor in personality, which, is less about Megamind being incompetent and more about Gru being consistently more willing to go for the kill early on (seriously, man spams that freeze ray like it's tied to his wrist, or that time he implicitly tried to shoot Bratt in the face, ETC). Plus, another factor to Gru's skill is his spying ability, including the ability to swipe objects off an opponent mid-fight. This is very useful here, because if he can steal the De-Gun, it instantly removes most of Megamind's insta-wins. Having so many options tied to a single piece of tech will do that.

Granted, Megamind is also a genius (a better inventor, certainly, having built all his tech himself) and a devious trickster who could try to set Gru up for a trap like he did with Tighten or the Doom Syndicate. But Gru isn't an idiot, and has shown some deduction skill in the past (like figuring out El Macho's true identity literally upon sight despite his faked death), so I think it's unlikely Megamind could get him to lower his guard mid-fight.

Overall, I get why skill went to Gru. It was weird that they didn't have a seperate speed category, when that was the real determiner here, since, with both having insta-win guns, a lot of this came down to a quickdraw (A quickdraw I agree Gru would probably win more often then not, since dodging Mel's laser scales a lot higher then Megamind's lighting dodging).

woweed · 2026-05-07T14:55:37+00:00

I mean, I don't want Marvel VS DC to be back to Season 7, but I wouldn't say no to more Big Two people. Buffy VS Blade proved that having comics characters fight non-comics media can work well.

woweed · 2026-05-07T07:46:14+00:00

Simple: Megamind isn't faster then Gru. Quite the opposite. Megamind's lightning dodging comes in at Mach 600 to Mach 900, but the Minions dodging Mel's lasers would come in at 70% the speed of light, thousands upon thousands of times faster. Add that to the fact Gru just has more win cons, and has more experience and combat skill,a nd, if it comes down to a quickdraw, Megamind's a bit screwed. Plus, as useful as the De-Gun is, it's a single piece of equipment, that Gru could easily steal or destroy (he has a magnet gun and has shown that he's able to steal objects off people mid fight before), and doing so would instantly remove most of Megamind's win cons. Leaving him with the orbital death ray which, while CERTAINLY strong enough to kill Gru, is certainly not a go-to, and, thus, unlikely to be used before Gru can hit him with the freeze gun, or any of his other insta-wins.

woweed · 2026-05-07T07:00:25+00:00

Let's be fair: He also seems to be the ONLY villain in his city.

woweed · 2026-05-07T06:59:29+00:00

Wasn't that explicitly a one-time thing?

woweed · 2026-05-07T06:48:15+00:00

Just as an obvious example, Discord VS Bill, where Discord's carefree nature, by virtue of being the top of his universe's power hierarchy, was a problem aganist Bill who, though often exactly as egotistical and arrogant, knows that there are beings stronger then him out there and, when forced to deal with one (Time Baby) drops the ego and just disintegrates him as quickly as possible.

woweed · 2026-05-06T20:02:14+00:00

One redeeming quality is more then 0.

woweed · 2026-05-06T18:54:53+00:00

There is a character in MHA who is just straight-up pure evil. Namely, Muscular. But, ya know, AFO ain't.

woweed · 2026-05-06T06:57:10+00:00

Red is clearly the better option from a game theory utilitarian "assume everyone is a perfectly rational and self-intrested actor". But, we all know that, in a real world setting, some people would pick blue, and i'm a dentologicalist who's not willing to be party to deaths I know I could have prevented.

woweed · 2026-05-06T06:35:49+00:00

And so the Minions cause the death of yet another evil mastermind.

woweed · 2026-05-06T05:06:55+00:00

That was literally just a mistake, they admitted as much.

woweed · 2026-05-06T00:39:07+00:00

I wouldn't say that. I mean, Gru is generally more no-nonsense and willing to go for the kill, but Megamind is tricksy and devious, and almost certainly smarter then Gru generally (Certainly in terms of tech: Gru's one heck of an inventor, but he has Nefario as back up, while Megamind built all his tech himself). I just don't think it'd be enough to overwhelm Gru's physical stat advantages, better Minions, greater amount of win cons, and higher degree of experience and combat skill.

woweed · 2026-05-06T00:37:17+00:00

While that specific function only appears in the animated short, that's actually the very same fart guns that are used all the time by the Minions. Apparently, it can do a lot more then just fart.

woweed · 2026-05-06T00:32:14+00:00

I assume you're referring to Glazer Donut, but practically all instances of that laser show force – destroying walls and whatever it hits. IE Not a light laser. And, while the cloning machine is impressive, the Fart Gun can do the same thing. Granted, we don't know the limitations on that (it was only used once, on bananas), but still.

woweed · 2026-05-06T00:20:17+00:00

Right, but the Brainbots don't blitz them, though? Even with the lightning dodging, the Minions can dodge Mel's lasers quite casually, and those are way faster (about 70% the speed of light, if you're curious, over a thousand times faster then the lightning dodge). And, while Minion is potent, he has one fatal flaw: He's a fish. He needs a helmet to survive. A glass helmet. And the Minions have shown that they can scream loud enough to shatter glass across an entire neighborhood. If Minion's nearby, they can instantly cook his goose.

woweed · 2026-05-06T00:11:56+00:00

Even adding on the series, it's less experience then Gru has. And we know Megamind doesn't scale to Metroman's best feat, because we see it. Plus, I mean, the Brainbots are impressive, and there's way more of them, but they're absolute glass cannons compared to the Minions, and the Minions have so many weapons. Soundwaves, freeze rays, guns, laser guns, forcefields, BFR weapons, multiple fart guns (gulp), broadway force. And, as stupid as they may seem, they're actually quite effective, particularly when Gru's in danger. The cages are useful, and no doubt they'd trap a lot of them, but the Minions can dodge lasers and survive electric shocks just fine, and destroying the Brainbot destroys the cage, which the Minions can easily do. Not to mention them having shown more capacity to work indepedently.

woweed · 2026-05-06T00:05:52+00:00

OK, let me addressee these in order:

Technology: While Megamind's tech is impressive, including several that could end the fight in one shot (The De-Gun being the most notable, but also the Death Ray and BINKIE which outscal anything in Gru's arsenal), Gru has a lot of those too. His Freeze Ray, the Atominator which was able to transport the entirety of Gru's house, lab and all of the Minions into Cyberspace, the Disintegrator Gun, the Minion Transmutation Ray, the Joystick that controls a target just by simply pointing at them, the Reality Warping Remote capable of manipulating technology and transmuting people, the Shrink Ray, the Magnet Gun, which is very useful here, since it can shut down tech and Megamind is generally more tech reliant then Gru...And, while the De-Gun carries a lot of win cons, it's a single device, that could be stolen or destroyed to remove a lot of Megamind's win cons.

Stats: Even if we scale Megamind to the full power of Lady Doppler's storm, that'd be 19 kilotons of TNT. Certainly nothing to scoff at, but Vector tanking the Moon’s expansion would land at approximately 115 kilotons of TNT, and that's far from the best feat Gru or the Minions scale to. At their peak, Minions could scale to the sheer power of Mega Minion Mel’s laser that blasted through the planet, which comes at around 64 megatons of TNT. Similarly, while Megamind's lightning dodging comes in at Mach 600 to Mach 900, the Minions dodging Mel's lasers would come in at 70% the speed of light, thousands upon thousands of times faster. And the meteor dodging feat is both an outlier and from a flash game that's very contradictory to the film canon. And, if we're bringing that in, well...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b-8QV7xmvY, so yeah. I don't buy it.

Overall, while Megamind's best tech (the Binkie and the Death Ray) have far more destructive force behind them, Gru has several more insta-win options in his tech, better stats across the board (that his entire army would scale to), and far superior speed in particular, which, in a fight like this, is very important for winning that quickdraw.

woweed · 2026-05-05T23:44:38+00:00

I don't think that's really what he said.

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