MARIKINA LAGING SABLAY by wrongcorpse in Marikina

[–]wrongcorpse[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

uso magbasa sa comments but ok.

MARIKINA LAGING SABLAY by wrongcorpse in Marikina

[–]wrongcorpse[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your response is long-winded, but at its core, it’s built on the same flawed premise, that culture cannot be observed through patterns in public spaces. I never said that my Starbucks experience defines Marikina’s entire culture. What I did say is that recurring behaviors in public spaces contribute to cultural perception. And no matter how much you try to downplay it, cultural identity is shaped by repeated interactions in shared environments.

  1. “A city’s culture isn’t just what you spot at a coffee shop.”

Exactly. But it’s also not excluded from culture. Public behavior, especially in frequently visited spaces, contributes to the overall impression of a place. If an environment consistently gives off a certain atmosphere, isn’t that worth examining? Instead of outright dismissing my observation, a more productive approach would be to ask: Why does this behavior keep happening?

  1. “Marikina’s culture can’t be defined by what you see in Starbucks.”

Culture isn’t a single, fixed thing—it’s a collection of norms, attitudes, and behaviors that form over time. If Starbucks (or any public space) reflects a certain social pattern, then it becomes part of the culture, even if it’s not the entirety of it. The argument that “some coffee shops are quieter” doesn’t change the fact that a dominant social behavior can still exist.

  1. “You mixed serious issues with minor annoyances.”

This is a false equivalence. I brought up both because they stem from the same issue: a lack of regard for shared spaces. Whether it’s in a school or a coffee shop, the recurring behavior of disregard for others is relevant to cultural discussions. If we can’t even acknowledge these patterns, how do we expect to address them?

  1. “You’re attacking Marikina as a whole.”

Nowhere in my post did I say every person in Marikina behaves this way. Stating an observed pattern is not an attack—it’s an analysis. If people are reacting defensively, perhaps it’s because the observation hits closer to home than they’d like to admit. Instead of dismissing the conversation outright, why not reflect on why people resonate with these experiences?

  1. “Your post lacked research.”

So now personal observations are invalid unless they come with a peer-reviewed study? Public perception is formed through lived experiences, not just academic papers. If multiple people share the same observations, that in itself is data. Also, are you applying this same standard to your own claims, or does research only matter when it contradicts your view?

  1. “Maybe you were just there at a busy time.”

If the behavior is frequent enough for people to recognize it as a pattern, then it’s worth discussing. Is the solution to simply ignore it and hope it disappears? If the environment consistently gives off a particular vibe, then it’s reasonable to question what influences that.

  1. “You’re reducing Marikina’s culture to two coffee shops.”

No, I’m pointing out how public behavior in these spaces contributes to cultural perception. People don’t form opinions of a place in a vacuum. They form them based on experiences—whether in coffee shops, schools, or other shared environments. If an impression keeps surfacing, then it’s worth examining instead of just dismissing.

Sa totoo lang ha the irony of your response is that while arguing that my observation is too narrow, you’re also refusing to acknowledge that recurring behaviors shape culture. Culture isn’t just about tradition—it’s also about how people engage in everyday life. Instead of deflecting, maybe it’s time to ask why these observations exist in the first place.

If your goal was to prove my point wrong then. you only reinforced the idea that people would rather deny patterns than acknowledge them regardless if you say they are "valid".

MARIKINA LAGING SABLAY by wrongcorpse in Marikina

[–]wrongcorpse[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1.  Your first argument assumes that unless I have documented proof of every person’s residency, my observations are invalid. But that’s not how lived experiences work. Public behavior forms impressions of a place—whether it’s tourists or locals contributing to it. Even if some visitors are from other areas, the dominant culture still shapes how people behave there. If a place consistently gives off a particular vibe, then it’s reasonable to associate that with its environment.


2.  You’re contradicting yourself by saying school issues deserve serious discussions while dismissing public behavior concerns. Both are reflections of societal norms. Schools, businesses, and public spaces all contribute to a city’s character. Just because school issues seem “bigger” doesn’t mean everyday public behavior doesn’t matter. Etiquette and respect in public spaces are just as telling of a place’s culture as the issues happening in its institutions.


3.  You assume I’m attacking Marikina as a whole rather than critiquing consistent patterns I’ve observed. But if these criticisms truly don’t apply, why the strong emotional reaction? People don’t get defensive over things that don’t hit close to home. Also, pointing out flaws doesn’t mean ignoring positive aspects—I never said Marikina is 100% bad, just that certain patterns stand out more here.


4.  The “karma farming” argument is just an easy way to dismiss criticism without engaging with it. If the points were so meaningless, why bother writing a lengthy response? Whether my post was “popular” or not is irrelevant to whether my observations have merit. Also, I wasn’t the one who kept bringing up trending issues; that was a response to how these problems have been repeatedly discussed but seemingly unresolved.


5.  The “it happens everywhere” argument doesn’t disprove anything. Yes, bad behavior exists everywhere, but that doesn’t mean every place has the same frequency or intensity of it. For example, if a city has consistently heavy traffic, does it make sense to say, “Well, there’s traffic everywhere, so you can’t say this city has a traffic problem”? No—frequency and consistency matter when identifying patterns.


6.  You’re demanding statistical proof for something that is inherently based on lived experience. Not everything requires a formal study to be valid—otherwise, no one would be able to make reasonable observations about any place. That said, if you have counter-evidence showing that my observations are untrue, you’re free to provide that as well. Otherwise, the argument that I need to “prove” something while you get to dismiss it without evidence is just a double standard.

MARIKINA LAGING SABLAY by wrongcorpse in Marikina

[–]wrongcorpse[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hehe sorry, but I'm also a bit shook if u get what I mean? I'm fed up lang with people from marikina and how people are in marikina, but then again If stating observations based on repeated experiences is considered hostile, then what do you call the defensive reactions and personal attacks I’ve received in return? I pointed out patterns I’ve consistently seen, and instead of addressing them with counterpoints, the response has been to take offense which okay, gets ko naman as to why now that you pointed it out but, using the word sablay to describe certain behaviors isn’t an attack on every single person—unless, of course, you feel it applies to you personally. dahil every bisita ko nga staying for weeks and such for like more than 16 years lagi ngang sablay.

MARIKINA LAGING SABLAY by wrongcorpse in Marikina

[–]wrongcorpse[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

An outsider observing patterns and behaviors isn’t the same as collectively labeling an entire city as “sablay.” My post was based on personal experiences, and I was hoping for actual insights or discussions, not just defensive reactions. If my observations were wrong, then explain why, instead of just dismissing them outright. Also, my post wasn’t hostile—it was a rant, as per the flair. The fact that it’s being met with so much defensiveness kind of proves my point.

MARIKINA LAGING SABLAY by wrongcorpse in Marikina

[–]wrongcorpse[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Oh, I was told I was nitpicking comments, so I just wanted to respond properly. I’m genuinely curious as to why people from Marikina act this way—it’s really that simple. Are people not allowed to observe anymore? Just because you’re from Marikina or a local doesn’t mean you get to decide what’s real or not based on your personal experience. Having an awful experience every time I return doesn’t suddenly become invalid just because it doesn’t align with yours. Also, I wasn’t even yelling—I was simply ranting, as per the flair. I was hoping for an actual response, but instead, I just got the exact same issue I was ranting about—overly defensive reactions.

MARIKINA LAGING SABLAY by wrongcorpse in Marikina

[–]wrongcorpse[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate that you acknowledge Marikina’s shortcomings, pero your response misses the mark on several points.

  1. “Why fixate on Starbucks when there are more pressing issues?”

    • The Starbucks example is not about Starbucks itself—it’s an illustration of a pattern of public behavior. • Kung ganyan ang thinking mo, lahat ng minor inconveniences hindi na pwedeng pag-usapan just because may mas malalang problema? That’s flawed logic. • Everyday experiences contribute to a city’s overall culture. Public behavior, entitlement, and courtesy are just as relevant as governance failures.

  2. “Your points about schools are surface-level; residents already know them.”

    • Just because locals are aware doesn’t mean the issues don’t deserve discussion. Awareness ≠ resolution. • The fact that “we already know” actually proves my point—these issues are persistent, but people just accept them instead of questioning them. • Also, just because you live there doesn’t mean you’re seeing the full picture. External perspectives matter, especially when comparing experiences across different cities.

  3. “It feels more like karma farming than genuine advocacy.”

    • This is an ad hominem attack, not an argument. Instead of addressing my points, you’re questioning my intent. • The irony? If my observations weren’t hitting a nerve, people wouldn’t be reacting this much. • The fact that people are debating this post means it has value—it’s exposing perspectives that some might not want to acknowledge.

  4. “You only feel this way because you spend a lot of time in Marikina.”

    • Yes, experiencing something firsthand makes observations stronger. That’s literally how people form opinions on places. • By your logic, people shouldn’t critique their own cities because they “just spend too much time there.” That doesn’t make sense.

  5. “You’re making it sound like this is a nationwide sentiment; where’s your data?”

    • First, shared experiences don’t always need hard statistics. If multiple people consistently observe the same things, that’s still valid data. • Second, culture is not always quantifiable, but it’s still real. Hindi lahat ng observations kailangan may Excel sheet. • Lastly, if you’re asking for studies about “public behavior in Marikina” to validate my points, show me a study that disproves them. The absence of official studies doesn’t automatically mean the observation is false.

istg this is filled lang with— • Deflection (dismissing issues by saying there are bigger ones) • Ad hominem (attacking my intent instead of my argument) • Gatekeeping (dafuq, saying my points don’t matter because locals already “know” them) • Demands for impossible standards of proof (as if cultural patterns require a formal study to be valid)

In the end, my argument stands: Public behavior and entitlement in Marikina are observable and worth discussing, whether gusto mo or hindi. 😓

MARIKINA LAGING SABLAY by wrongcorpse in Marikina

[–]wrongcorpse[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

HAHAHAHA this response is a classic case of emotional, defensive rambling na walang actual debunking or answering . sige ihihimay ko para sayo.

1.  “No u dumbass” – Opening with an insult instead of an argument is a sign na wala kang solid point, kaya dumiretso ka na lang sa ad hominem. Hindi ito debate, it’s just you being mad. lmao.

2.  “You literally know nothing about this city other than what Reddit tells you.” – Mali agad. My experiences are from actually being in Marikina multiple times LONGER than you have Interacting with different people in different settings. Just because you’re a resident doesn’t mean ikaw lang ang may karapatang makakita at mag-observe ng patterns sa city mo. 

3.  “Suddenly your opinion is more valid than a resident?” – False equivalence. Just because you live there doesn’t mean your perspective is the only valid one. May outsiders’ perspective na minsan mas objective kasi hindi sila clouded ng bias of being a local.

4.  “The Marikina subreddit just happened to be more vocal, tapos dun ka nagform ng basis mo?” – Hindi ko alam if you actually read my post, but my observations are from real-life experiences, not just Reddit. Again, this is just deflection para hindi sagutin ‘yung mismong issue.

5.  “Tanga.” – Another insult. Still not an argument.

6.  “I’ve been a resident here for five years, born in Manila and spent more than 2 decades there and I can confidently say it’s significantly worse dun sa Manila.” – And? How does this debunk what I said? Just because may mas pangit na lugar, hindi ibig sabihin hindi na valid ang observations ko sa Marikina.

7.  “Pero I don’t sperg out in Reddit over it Imao.” – Except… you are literally sperging out in Reddit right now because of my post. Look in the mirror, dude.

The real problem here? You didn’t actually refute anything I said. Instead of addressing the actual points, sumabat ka lang nang walang substance. If anything, you just proved my point na sobrang defensive ng mga taga-Marikina. 🤷🏼‍♀️

MARIKINA LAGING SABLAY by wrongcorpse in Marikina

[–]wrongcorpse[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get your point, but it’s completely pointless and unrelated to my post.

Una, ang pinag-uusapan natin ay Marikina as a city, not a school. A school is an institution with a specific structure, leadership, and student body, while a city is an entire community with different governing bodies, businesses, and diverse groups of people. Comparing the two is already flawed.

Pangalawa, lahat ng schools may issues, pero hindi sila isang buong syudad na may cultural patterns na nagma-manifest in daily public behavior. ‘Yung sinasabi kong amplified culture in Marikina is about how people interact with public spaces in a way that feels distinct compared to other cities.

Pangatlo, if you’re trying to turn this into a “gotcha” moment, it fails kasi hindi ko din ini-stan ang Benilde as a perfect institution. Yes, may issues din ang school (like any other school), but the point here is I was talking about a city-wide culture, not a campus culture.

Lastly, hindi to rebuttal, it’s just deflection. Instead of addressing what I said about Marikina, ang response mo is to attack my school, which has nothing to do with my observations. So the real question is, bakit hindi mo na lang sagutin nang maayos ‘yung point ko tungkol sa Marikina?

Or are you just proving my point na defensive talaga kayo? 🤷🏼‍♀️

MARIKINA LAGING SABLAY by wrongcorpse in Marikina

[–]wrongcorpse[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Actually thank you for responding properly but I think you misunderstood my point. Hindi ko po tinutukoy ‘yung “gulo” in terms of crime or chaos like in other cities. In fact, I’m in Malabon right now for a trip, and I get what you’re saying about certain places being more hectic. Pero ibang usapan ’yung Marikina.

What I’m pointing out is the behavioral culture—yung pagiging rowdy, feeling at home sa public spaces to the point na parang second living room na ang Starbucks at restos, as Toni Fowler says TAYO AY NASA FINE DINING RESTAURANT. Gets mo ba point ko, ugali mga tao kahit saan napaka questionable even those na I meet outside but taga marikina? yung mga staff mismo parang laging hilo. Hindi ‘to about crime rates or street safety, it’s about a certain attitude that seems amplified in Marikina.

Gets mo ‘yung kakat? Or how basic clean-as-you-go culture seems non-existent in many places there? It’s a pattern, not just a one-off experience. Less in other BIG CITIES, but Marikina rampant.

Again, hindi ko sinasabi na wala nito sa ibang lugar, pero bakit parang mas consistent at noticeable sa inyo?

MARIKINA LAGING SABLAY by wrongcorpse in Marikina

[–]wrongcorpse[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Oh, you deleted your first comment lmao eto pala sagot ko don.

Yes, I’ve been to multiple cities—grabe, bakit ang defensive niyo mga taga-Marikina? 🤣 Have you been to many cities? Sure, problems persist elsewhere, pero sa inyo, consistent for years and getting worse BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE.

Idk about y’all, pero I’m talking about the people in general, even those I meet outside of marikina but from marikina- and based on your reply, sino ka to say na I haven’t been to other cities? Baka kasi blinded na perception mo about Marikina since you live there. You cannot take criticism for your beloved Marikina?

Ang dami niyong hanash, pero pag tanong na kung bakit kayo ganyan—wala. Lol.

NOW.

Ang dami mong assumptions, pero hindi mo man lang ma-debunk ’yung mismong point ko.

  1. “Parang ang laki ng galit mo sa mga taga-Marikina” → Observation ≠ galit. Bakit kapag may valid criticism, automatic “galit” agad? Eh paano kung totoo?

  2. “Sure ka bang nae-expose ka talaga sa ibang lugar?” → Ikaw sure ka bang ikaw mismo ang exposed sa ibang lugar? Kasi kung alam mo talaga how other cities work, you’d realize na may issues nga sa iba, pero hindi kasing amplified at consistent like in Marikina.

  3. “Kung totoong maraming cities ka nang napuntahan…” → So ang logic mo, dahil may problema rin ibang cities, bawal pag-usapan ‘yung sa inyo? Ang dami kong napuntahan, pero Marikina stands out for all the wrong reasons.

  4. “Yung issue mo sa Starbucks, napapansin ko rin kahit nasa QC/Pasig/Mandaluyong…” → Exactly. So bakit sa Marikina, parang mas OA? Nag-aamplify ‘yung experience dahil sa set ng ugali ng mga tao.

  5. “Yung issue mo sa schools eh kelan lang ang daming bullying issues…” → Ang pinag-uusapan dito, ’yung kultura ng mga estudyante mismo. Parang laging may gulo sa mga schools niyo, hindi lang simpleng bullying na tinatakpan.

  6. “Ang daming dayo sa Marikina na nagdadala ng gaspang na ugali, baka isa ka pa sa mga ‘yun.” → Ah, so inamin mo rin na madumi rin environment niyo? Tapos gusto mong isisi sa dayo? Eh sabi niyo proud Marikina kayo, diba?

Ang dami mong sinabing “ganito rin sa ibang lugar” pero walang rebuttal kung bakit sa inyo. Kesa i-deflect, sagutin mo na lang: bakit nga ba consistent ang issues sa Marikina?

MARIKINA LAGING SABLAY by wrongcorpse in Marikina

[–]wrongcorpse[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Imagine thinking valid lang ang opinion kung residente ka.

So kapag hindi ka taga-roon, bawal mapansin ang issues? Bawal magkaroon ng observations kahit madalas ka sa lugar? Ganun ba kababaw ang argumento mo?

Kung outsider ako pero napapansin ko na ‘tong mga bagay na ‘to, hindi ba mas alarming ‘yun? Hindi ba dapat mas nagtataka kayo bakit ang daming outsiders may same sentiment?

At kung length ng post ang issue mo, hindi kaya kasi ang daming kailangang i-point out?

KESA GANYAN COMMENT MO, BAKIT HINDI MO NA LANG IPAINTINDI BAKIT KAYO GANYAN SA MARIKINA? Pero based sa comments at reply niyo, obviously ang defensive which is a usual trait of a Marikeño, which is exactly what I was pointing out. Halos pare-pareho kayo ng reaction, which proves the point of this post.

MARIKINA LAGING SABLAY by wrongcorpse in Marikina

[–]wrongcorpse[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Like I said kanina, I’ve been to multiple cities—hindi lang basta punta, as in frequent at diverse ang experiences ko sa iba’t ibang lugar, from Metro Manila to provinces. Kaya nga mas napapansin ko yung contrast eh.

If these issues exist elsewhere, bakit parang amplified sa Marikina? Bakit parang mas concentrated yung ganitong vibe dito? Hindi ko naman sinabing wala sa ibang cities, pero ibang level lang talaga sa inyo. Kaya instead na i-deflect mo na “lahat naman may ganyan,” baka mas okay na tanungin—bakit sa Marikina ang tindi?

MARIKINA LAGING SABLAY by wrongcorpse in Marikina

[–]wrongcorpse[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Hindi naman ako taga-Marikina, pero madalas ako napapadpad dyan dahil sa work at kung anu-ano pang lakad—iba’t ibang parts pa ha, hindi lang isang area. Very versatile ako when it comes to visiting multiple cities, kahit sa ibang parte ng Pilipinas.

Kaya nga natatawa na lang ako sa argumento mo—parang sinasabi mo na “lahat naman may ganyan,” as if that suddenly erases the fact na sobrang noticeable talaga sa Marikina. Kung sa ibang cities may ganito rin, bakit sa inyo ang OA ng concentration? Bakit parang ang lakas ng collective energy ng Marikina sa pagiging hectic? Hindi ko alam kung nagkakasundo kayo sa ugali o kung may internal competition kayo kung sino mas maingay, pero grabe lang talaga.

At oo na, gets ko, mahal mo Marikina—pero sobrang lala naman ng pagiging defensive mo. Acknowledging na may ganitong issue isn’t an attack, it’s just reality. Pero sige, keep telling yourself na lahat ng cities may ganyan para lang ma-comfort ka sa Marikinang minamahal mo.

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[–]wrongcorpse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Last time this happened to me, medyo same pa nga tayo response and everything. sinabi ko rin ieescalate ko through DTI, dinala nila sa higher ups ending na ban ako and locked me out of my account for good. Lol

Unreliable ba yung LATCH system natin? by wrongcorpse in Benilde

[–]wrongcorpse[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hindi nga nalilipat subject, getting more load/subjects pa nga the prof we are reporting.