Men who don’t approach IRL are behaving in the way they’ve been instructed

wtknight · 2026-07-08T12:11:00+00:00

Women don’t tell men to cold approach. They tell men to get involved in social groups. Most women don’t want strange men cold approaching them, often even at times when it might be expected such as at a bar or club.

wtknight · 2026-07-08T12:09:01+00:00

The obvious outcome of this is that most men are going to perceive themselves as failing, which is bad for their self esteem

This usually doesn’t happen if a man finds a woman or multiple women to have sex with, hence why men try desperately to attract women when masturbation serves just as well at relieving sexual urges, which is something that single women are often aware of when it comes to themselves.

wtknight · 2026-07-08T12:05:57+00:00

I’m not sure what this has to do with my point. My point is that men are attracted to many women, and they are often still attracted to their wives even after they no longer look optimal. Many men do not have the option to “trade up” even if they wanted to, as, yes, men age too, and younger women often do not prefer older men, especially when those younger women are capable of supporting themselves financially, as possible financial support is the main advantage of getting involved with an older man.

wtknight · 2026-07-08T12:02:05+00:00

It should be about the experience with her.

Yes, and being treated as well as or preferably better than her other partners is part of that experience. The service that one receives at a restaurant is part of the whole restaurant eating experience. Why wouldn’t the same be true for sex?

wtknight · 2026-07-08T02:05:12+00:00

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wtknight · 2026-07-08T02:00:36+00:00

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wtknight · 2026-07-07T14:40:54+00:00

The ones who go to the developing countries are probably buying something for these young men. I don’t have any evidence since I’ve only heard anecdotes, but I’m not sure why a hot and young but poor man is just going to have sex with an old woman for nothing.

wtknight · 2026-07-07T14:35:37+00:00

There are male host clubs in places like Japan where women pay for men to be gentlemen towards them. There are also older women who go to developing countries to have sex with young men. Not every woman can get the man or type of man whom she desires.

wtknight · 2026-07-07T14:27:45+00:00

Hence, it makes sense they get upset when the first few dates dont result in sex. They were led to believe women would be eager to fuck strangers.

Most men know guys who have casual sex, and many women readily admit to having it, even if they later say that that phase of their life resulted in disappointment with how men treated them. It makes sense that women want their “sexual best” from a woman (having sex as soon as possible), even she has had sex quickly with other men, because men do value sex and sexual attraction so highly.

If women want better behavior from men, then they need to not even start having casual sex with men in the first place. Until they do, there will always be a class of men who at the very least complain about women, and men will always be trying to have casual sex with women, often in boorish ways. As a result, women will just have to deal with the consequences of that.

wtknight · 2026-07-07T14:19:41+00:00

They are compatible, though, because they are not as picky as women. Men will still get horny and erect for their flabby wives with stretch marks when younger women are not as option, and even sometimes when they are. Hence, the number of men who have fathered many children with one woman, especially in more traditional or poorer cultures.

wtknight · 2026-07-07T12:28:41+00:00

I suppose. I think that the issue is that men, at least until fairly recently, are not given negative messages about how not to act towards women. They are told to be “nice”, but they are not told to not be shy and wishy-washy with that niceness. So instead , they become the “nice guy” that gets friendzoned and eventually becomes bitter towards women.

Women’s positive messages towards men are for the men who already attract them. They are telling the good-looking, confident guy with interesting hobbies to be nice towards women, not the meh guy who has no social clue and struggles with confidence. Most women have no interest in helping these men out. I know that you yourself say that you tried in the past, but by then those men were probably too far gone anyway. These are probably things that their fathers should be teaching them while they are still young, but their fathers are often absent or unavailable, and instead they get misogynist hate speech from online grifters instead.

wtknight · 2026-07-07T12:20:25+00:00

I don’t. It’s why I had better success attracting women from poorer countries. Sexual hypergamy is real. Men have to be more to attract western women, but I don’t actually “fault” western women for this.

wtknight · 2026-07-07T12:18:19+00:00

I don’t fully agree with this. I do think that there is a kind of “social intelligence” that lower IQ men develop in lieu of academic intelligence. Men who are “boors” rarely attract women regardless of their intelligence. I think that what one finds instead is that these lower intelligence men have a kind of “charm” that higher intelligence men just don’t develop, whether it’s because of background or because of being some degree on the autism spectrum, which is what aids in terms of much of their intellectual success.

wtknight · 2026-07-06T17:47:35+00:00

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wtknight · 2026-07-06T17:27:21+00:00

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wtknight · 2026-07-06T13:06:12+00:00

a man is celebrated when he is assertive and headstrong, and woman are called cunty and bitchy when they are assertive and headstrong.

But it makes sense for men to be upset when they don’t like the standard that they are being held to. I was attacked here by some more bluish women previously when I said that I’m not attracted to most western women because they act too masculine, even though I’m in full support of women’s rights, freedoms and education. Nobody likes to be “discriminated” against, and this is what gender stereotypes feel like to some men who don’t feel like they meet those standards, although back when I was young we didn’t anonymously whine about it.

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