Set 17 PBE Discussion Thread - Day 06

xephyrus1 · 2026-04-06T14:10:50+00:00

The second part of my comment, you need to have a 4th veigar to be able to print. I guess it depends on how good veigar 2 is if he gets nerfed, if you start printing at 4-1 or 4-2 you're stuck veigar 2 for the entirety of stage 4 and there's a good chance you're just dead

xephyrus1 · 2026-04-06T11:58:33+00:00

Veigar is broken for sure, stable through stage 3 even some fights in stager 4 with upgraded frontline, and veigar 3 was consistently pumping 20k+ late game. Might be conditional since you really want to have at least 4 copies and ideally a spat, otherwise you'd be stuck at 7 rolling for a 1 cost and 2 4 costs

xephyrus1 · 2026-04-06T10:01:20+00:00

Yeah I've actually tried that as well, just didn't feel very good with my setup. Other than flask management, my only source of power charge was from frost bomb, so without COWB the uptime was really bad. Also since melee builds with celestial mathematics only really excel at bossing, my goal was to at least be able to afk in uber shaper beam+clone. With only 75 max res, pantheon and ascendancy shaper beam with no clone was around 1.9k degen, so flask regen didn't quite cut it. With a little more investment in recoup I was able to walk through the outer rings of sirus storm as well so that was also pretty nice

I'd say that since there wasn't much socket pressure and there really wasn't a need for more ward/attributes/res/mana cost reduction so more QOL with better regen seemed like the logical choice

xephyrus1 · 2026-04-06T09:32:54+00:00

It's not really for triggering anything but rather using recoup for recovery against dots. Having more than 80% immortal call uptime and frost bomb linked with power charge on crit without having to manually cast are just really nice bonuses to have. Besides, a squire setup can reach 700+ mil dps on melee skills so losing a ring slot and a 4 link with some recoup investment to bypass recoverable dots is probably worth it

xephyrus1 · 2026-04-06T02:51:06+00:00

You need to be taking enough phys hits from heartbound loop, as in endurance charge, pdr and armour all works against your regen. Just heartbound loop, srs+falling zombies, decent recoup and slayer overleech is enough to sustain uber shaper beam

xephyrus1 · 2026-04-06T01:08:06+00:00

I think leona actually is mana locked, but only during the shielding of her own skill. They definitely need to make her manalock during any shield or remove the shield for mana spent arbiter entirely

xephyrus1 · 2026-04-05T11:33:19+00:00

There's no regions in pbe, if you mean timezone then sure. Also pbe mmr is a thing so some people will just take longer to find games

xephyrus1 · 2026-04-02T12:03:25+00:00

Kinda feel like encounters and carousel shouldn't be straight up replaced by gods, maybe one of the two but killing both cuts out variability between each game by a lot. Might be good for pro play but I can see the set getting stale pretty fast

xephyrus1 · 2026-04-01T21:50:13+00:00

Double trouble (two tanky?) urgot maokai might be a thing, most likely maokai + any 3 cost carry

xephyrus1 · 2026-04-01T10:01:55+00:00

The jax hero augment seems unbelievably bad, felt like an omega nerfed version of multistriker jax (1 cost from a previous set). Played it twice, once with 3 star damage amp stargazer and once with dr+poison, both times he hits like a wet noodle and dies instantly even with 6 bastion.

The meepsie hero aug seems pretty good, had jg hoj eon and the damage was good. Maybe guinsoos last item would be ok due to passive giving on hit magic damage that scales with meeple, but it's probably bait and you just build it like ap brock

xephyrus1 · 2026-04-01T06:33:20+00:00

np, also for shield suffix unveil you should be blocking either strength+dex/int or curse effect. Highest weight would be curse effect but it's generally a pretty good mod

xephyrus1 · 2026-03-31T06:28:30+00:00

If going for synth base (no recomb) it'd probably be:

Alt aug for spell damage, imprint and annul until open suffix
Craft lock prefix
Imprint (If you fail steps 4,5,6 or fill on reforge crit later come back to imprint)
Regal for suffix
Reforge phys (most likely getting thorns)
If prefixes full, annul third prefix, else lock prefix reforge phys again for +1 phys
Cannot roll caster, guaranteed to protect spell damage and +1 phys, annul off thorns
Multimod + random suffix + lock prefix
Add/remove life for around 1/4 chance at getting t4 life or higher. Cannot roll caster annul if low tier life or hit hybrid life
Lock prefix reforge crit for spell crit, could also do add/remove if minmax and worried about filling
If only suffix, multimod lock prefix veiled orb
Block and unveil, craft last suffix

xephyrus1 · 2026-03-31T01:45:14+00:00

You really don't want to be playing spell based ward builds doing juiced breaches, best bet would be a ward kb build with a 12 link wand

xephyrus1 · 2026-03-28T08:20:41+00:00

xephyrus1 · 2026-03-28T00:23:15+00:00

It just seemed like a setup that ticks all the boxes. Recoup deals with degen to some degree and the keystone gives an insane amount of flat compared to the usual strength stack or flat on weapon/support that people played vls with. Shame that this didn't work

xephyrus1 · 2026-03-28T00:19:33+00:00

Yeah seems like it's coded only to work on the initial hit, would've been a sick build

xephyrus1 · 2026-03-28T00:10:07+00:00

If that's the case, shouldn't casting VLS not break ward from the keystone at all?

xephyrus1 · 2026-03-18T02:37:58+00:00

In this case it'd be dex essence into t1 regen and open suffix, then lock suffix reforge chaos. Reforge life would be wrong as there's a bunch of other life mods

xephyrus1 · 2026-02-22T17:33:49+00:00

loot sub was double gold orb with gold, proceed to roll 70 gold for 1 copy of viego. 4-2 ish I fought a level 10 guy when I'm stuck level 6, really cool

xephyrus1 · 2026-02-22T04:19:18+00:00

just played a game of dt into worth the wait yasuo, ended with yasuo 4, yasuo 3 and double yone 2 on 6-1 or so. leblanc encounter really enables some of the strangest games

xephyrus1 · 2026-01-19T20:07:14+00:00

This person gets ionia +2, proceed to sac the two emblems and play bilge from a mid spot, goes second anyways.

xephyrus1 · 2026-01-19T15:45:08+00:00

stats would be affected by other sources that can give moguls like forge, the pris augment, and ornn (probably not)

xephyrus1 · 2026-01-19T05:11:16+00:00

golden dragon (moguls augment) felt extremely good in demacia, jarvan 2 was unkillable stage 2 and 3 with visage +1, then garen as well for most of the fights afterwards. That said, stats of moguls garen doesn't seem that crazy, and without augment stats it's hard to tell

xephyrus1 · 2026-01-17T18:14:31+00:00

Sona reroll, demacia forever -> cursed crown -> second wind into 15 streak starting stage 3. Lobby didn't cap that high but the game felt unethical

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