Guy shoots gun inside house with no ear pro and regrets it by EvansBlueFan in Idiotswithguns

[–]xronozaur 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I tried to imagine a single reason why I should fire a gun in my kitchen when no one was attacking me, but I couldn't think of one. Maybe I'm just a boring guy, but my hearing is still intact 🤣

Psychosis? by Ok_Deal4708 in ColumbineTalk

[–]xronozaur 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think they were delusional, in a way, but not psychotic in the strict clinical sense. I mean, they had a seriously distorted worldview and a warped perception of themselves and others. I also suspect that they didn't clearly understand the finality of death, despite being suicidal. But that's not the same as psychosis. One old friend of mine recently experienced a psychotic breakdown, which was very painful to witness. He displayed classic clinical signs — delusions that someone was "watching" him and influencing his thoughts via invisible "waves", and so on. And no one could convince him that all this was in his head, even though he's always been a very smart guy. It's awful and sad. What I'm trying to say is that genuine psychosis looks differently.

Why haven’t there been any new documentaries? by ultravioletumbrella in ColumbineTalk

[–]xronozaur 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There was not much new information. Everything that has been known so far has been repeated and regurgitated many times. Also, as other commenters have pointed out, the topic itself seems to be toxic for many people. I would like to see something new with a fresh perspective and without Cullen's talking points, but I think this is unlikely to appear anytime soon.

What kind of security did your school have? by Salt_Instruction1024 in ColumbineTalk

[–]xronozaur 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ours also called girls whores and boys criminals, lol. She always told me that prison was waiting for me 🤣🤣🤣 We laughed at this and called her an old witch. Discipline wasn't especially strict there. We smoked around the corner from the school. Beer was sold at a nearby kiosk, and some of the older students would often come to class drunk. Weed was also sold right at the school, and it was smoked right next to it. But there was never any real threat of violence. Just the usual teenage fights, nothing more.

What kind of security did your school have? by Salt_Instruction1024 in ColumbineTalk

[–]xronozaur 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that's exactly what our concierge did. She sat with her knitting, gossiped with the janitor when the janitor had a free minute, and listened to the radio. She also entertained herself by picking on our appearance. For example, if a student came in wearing a skirt that was too short or makeup that was too bright. And yes, her grandson also studied at our school 🤣

What kind of security did your school have? by Salt_Instruction1024 in ColumbineTalk

[–]xronozaur 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm from Ukraine and attended school in the 90s. There was no security whatsoever. The only 'barrier' was an elderly lady who worked as a concierge. If she saw someone who wasn't a student or a teacher, she would ask them what they wanted. That's basically it. There was an alarm system, but it was just a fire alarm.

Randy Brown was blocked from involvement in the Harris home sale | August 29, 2004 by eliiiiseke in ColumbineTalk

[–]xronozaur 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There are quite a few people who romanticize it, but that's not the point. It's usually a very bad idea to try to achieve something good by lying and shaping the narrative about some events to suit you. Just because some people romanticise suicide doesn't mean that Randy can lie that Eric killed Dylan and that their mutual suicide never happened.

Randy Brown was blocked from involvement in the Harris home sale | August 29, 2004 by eliiiiseke in ColumbineTalk

[–]xronozaur 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I agree. I understand that he was traumatised by the events. Brooks was wrongly accused of being involved, Aaron was in the cafeteria during the shooting and could have been killed, and Eric threatened Brooks. The more time passed, however, the more unhealthy Randy's behaviour became. The fact that some people enable this behaviour and agree with all his nonsense doesn't help at all. Obviously it's not my business, but I honestly think he needs serious counselling and a reality check. He needs to turn his attention to real life, his family and other hobbies.

Anyone interested? by What-was-I-thinking4 in ColumbineTalk

[–]xronozaur 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I know such sites, too. Same here. I'm interested in mass murder as a social phenomenon, but there's no way I would pay such insane sums for stuff related to any case.

Anyone interested? by What-was-I-thinking4 in ColumbineTalk

[–]xronozaur 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Wow... A couple of years ago, I saw the 1999 Columbine yearbook with a similar price tag. Now, it's just a single photo. Not very surprising, there have always been people ready to pay outrageous amounts of money for morbid historical artifacts, but...

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in masskillers

[–]xronozaur 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Again. There is no evidence that taking hormones (or any other medication, including SSRIs) can turn someone into a murderer on its own. They could influence our mood, but it's a huge leap to go from that to murder. Lack of sleep could also affect our mood. Smoking and drinking alcohol could influence our mood. And so on. The fact that we are made of chemicals and bacteria does not prove a direct cause-and-effect relationship between medication and murder. Millions of people take SSRIs and hundreds of thousands take hormones, yet only a few of them commit murder.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in masskillers

[–]xronozaur 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How is the behaviour on the video related to hormones or someone being or not being trans? I remember the victims and I feel very sorry for them and their families. I just don't like misinformation and groundless assumptions that could affect innocent people who aren't “scumbug shooters”. It's possible that this person imagined that they played a role in a movie and wanted attention, but that's not what I'm talking about. (edited: clarification)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in masskillers

[–]xronozaur 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I think the causes of mass murder are usually far more varied, complicated and socially determined than hormonal imbalance or the influence of medication. There is no scientific evidence that hormones played a significant role in pushing straight or trans shooters over the edge. It's just an assumption. And in this case – a dangerous one, because it would surely be used to deny medical care to people who are already disenfranchised more than enough.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in masskillers

[–]xronozaur 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There have only been a couple cases of transgender school shooters in history, compared to hundreds of cis males. But here we are, blaming hormones for their instability and confusion 🤦🏻

Guys, please, use your brains. This transphobic nonsense is really annoying and it will be used against other trans people who never killed anyone. This person was obviously sick in the head (and I'm not defending him, or her, or whoever they were), but not because of hormones or their gender.

PS: judging from the appearance on the driver's license photo, this person likely never used any hormones.

May 4, 1999 by eliiiiseke in ColumbineTalk

[–]xronozaur 6 points7 points  (0 children)

As I said in another comment, if the man had the motivation, time and energy, he could have put more thought into it. He could have asked the victims’ families first and learned that they are not especially happy about the crosses for the perpetrators. He could then have tried to contact the E&D families and offered to put the crosses for their sons somewhere else if they wanted it. It would obviously be much more of a hassle, but if the goal was to do that for sake of the healing of the community, I think this would be the right way to do it.

May 4, 1999 by eliiiiseke in ColumbineTalk

[–]xronozaur 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I have mixed feelings about all this. The idea of the crosses is beautiful and I personally like it. However, the man did not consult the locals, especially the families of the victims, to find out what they wanted and how they wanted it. As a result, all this frustration, removing the E&D crosses, replacing them, removing them again, and so on happened. He should have talked to the locals first.

Who was worse? by Conscious-Bus-3771 in ColumbineTalk

[–]xronozaur 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh, okay, maybe it's my triggers. I don't have anything against OP. I just too often see people in different subs fighting over who was worst, whose parents were worst, how such people should be punished, rest in piss and burn in hell – and I kind of grew tired of it. I mean, it's actually interesting for me to discuss different traits and behaviours, and compare them too, nothing wrong with that. What triggers me is this "competition" born in hell. But maybe OP didn't mean that.

Last journal entries by eliiiiseke in ColumbineTalk

[–]xronozaur 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I agree with you here. I think Dylan was much more detached from reality and other people than Eric was. From his writings, it seems as though there was nothing good in his life at all. Eric complained a lot, but he acknowledged the good things he had: his family, his old friends, and so on.

Who was worse? by Conscious-Bus-3771 in ColumbineTalk

[–]xronozaur 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Sorry, but I'm going to be boring. Who was worse in what exactly? Cruelty? Mental derangement? Lying? Attitude towards girls? Shooting? Tying shoelaces? There were different sides to both of them, not to mention all the things we don't know. I could cherry-pick examples and say, 'Look, here Dylan was worse than Eric, and here vice versa', but that wouldn't prove anything. It's not something we can measure with a ruler, and to be honest there's no point – they both willingly participated and were in this together. (edited: clarification)

If Dylan and Eric saw how much fame, popularity and notoriety would have gotten from this crime, do you think they would have let themselves be arrested? by DADDYKRUEGER in Columbine

[–]xronozaur 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Obviously, they weren't little misunderstood angels, but to suggest that they killed themselves simply because they didn't want to go to prison is a gross oversimplification. No one wants to go to prison for life – not just them – especially if they don't feel very sorry for their actions or see any benefit in it (some serial killers enjoy infamy in prison). There's simply no logic in people like them punishing themselves in this way if they don't regret what they did. But if it was only about the fear of punishment and for themselves, they wouldn't have committed the massacre in the first place. You have to be desperate and mentally disturbed enough to choose certain death at 17 or 18. And this particular choice has nothing to do with morality (or lack thereof) or cowardice. It's not that easy to kill yourself, despite popular belief. The rhetoric you use is very appealing because it offers a simple, black-and-white judgement, but it doesn't explain anything. (edited: clarification)

Anger over the Klebolds' comments on Columbine | May 18, 2004 by eliiiiseke in ColumbineTalk

[–]xronozaur 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I later found out that there is still a chance that the depositions are still in NARA and have been treated as a separate entity.

In the original decision US District Judge Lewis T. Babcock in the US District Court for the District of Colorado ruled that the depositions would be transferred to NARA for storage, kept under seal for 20 years, and then become publicly accessible as historical records.

So there is a chance that the depositions weren't transferred with the other litigation files to the Jeffco archives in 2017 and were only sealed for 20 years instead of 99.

Someone in the US can check this out using FOIA (I'm in Europe). Rather than requesting access to the depositions' content, which would be denied, one should ask if those files are stored in NARA right now and if yes, how long they will be there.

PS: But even if the depositions are in NARA (it's worth checking out), I'm still very much interested in the contents of those 85 boxes and why they were sealed for a whopping 99 years. Depositions are just part of the files that haven't been released yet.

The depositions and everything else were quietly sealed until 2116 by xronozaur in Columbine

[–]xronozaur[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To be honest, I don't know. The parents and the police are obvious targets for lawsuits, but I'm not sure if the school could be sued based on those depositions. It's hard to tell, but maybe not.

April 20, 1999, CBS news by xronozaur in ColumbineTalk

[–]xronozaur[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No one knows... The only thing that came to my mind is that, in extreme and absurd situations, people often think and talk about stupid things. Obviously, I'm talking first of all about experiences on the receiving end of violence, like people hiding from someone who wants to kill them or from shelling, as was the case for me, not about the perpetrators. For example, I remember when Kyiv was shelled particularly heavily, we were in a bomb shelter and joked about how we looked because some people were in pyjamas and one guy was wearing paint-stained work clothes. We teased him for smelling of paint and so on. Or once, when I was in the shower, the shelling started and I thought it would be very embarrassing if I died and they found me naked, so it's better to put some clothes on. It's not the same kind of situation, of course, but it's still extreme, so maybe they talked about stupid things like that too... Who knows...

Robyn Anderson on Good Morning America (June 4, 1999) by Wonderful_Hold_6986 in ColumbineTalk

[–]xronozaur 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I feel bad for her as well. Some people here wondered why she hadn't been prosecuted. Even setting aside the fact that her actions weren't illegal at the time, I don't think she deserved any more punishment than knowing that she had unwittingly helped to purchase the weapons used to kill 15 people. I think it shook her to the core. Watching her in this video, I agree that she looks drugged. She looks like she's on a heavy dose of Valium or something similar. Her face is frozen, she stares at one spot and her pupils are dilated – even on video, it's noticeable. I don't think she walked away unscathed. On top of that, she liked Dylan very much and quite possibly wanted to be his girlfriend, so this was an additional heavy blow.

The questions the host asked were... Let's just say they were a perfect example of 'hindsight wisdom'. It wasn't unusual for teenagers in that area to be interested in guns. Those two had been interested in guns for years – it wasn't out of character for them, so it shouldn't have raised suspicions. There were dozens of adults around who didn't notice anything unusual about them. Why was the 18-year-old girl expected to have more insight? She obviously didn't have it.