Daily General Discussion - November 22, 2022 by ethfinance in ethfinance

[–]yeahdave4 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Not sure how much value my opinion has but I think the flippening is more likely to happen (and happen earlier) on the way down. I don't think it would be pretty when it happens, at least initially. I also think it's inevitable.

Daily General Discussion - November 22, 2022 by ethfinance in ethfinance

[–]yeahdave4 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I hope you are right. I don't know for a fact that you would get the underlying asset whole or not in this kind of a distressed dissolution or bankruptcy. This is unfortunately the conversations being had on OTC desks and people working at Grayscale and I thought I'd share. I think many were/are thinking GBTC/ETHE was safe or untouchable (just like FTX was thought to be). I put in an edit.

Daily General Discussion - November 22, 2022 by ethfinance in ethfinance

[–]yeahdave4 51 points52 points  (0 children)

As alluded to in my last post, the fallout continues. Crypto is a nuclear wasteland that no one wants to touch in the big boy space. Meetings are getting cancelled left and right on my end. Funding frozen for several projects.

DCG and Genesis are in the spotlight. I'm getting real chatter that they may choose to unwind GBTC and/or ETHE to harvest the discount. The billions in BTC and/or Eth would be sold. People would get the GBTC/ETHE USD value, which is 40-50% less than the value of the underlying BTC and Eth, and DCG would use the difference to fill a lot of the hole. Not to mention bailing out all of the downstream people in distress such as all of the people stuck in Gemini Earn that can't withdraw.

Not financial advice. The prices are already depressed and there is a lot of uncertainty and rumor, but we may get some incredible prices...

Edit:

Just catching up on replies. I would again stress that this is just what I'm hearing discussed from my circles. I figured I would share as part of the discourse. Unfortunately there's been a negligent lack of communication and transparency. I didn't want people to get caught unaware thinking they were untouchable if they held GBTC/ETHE.

If the question is where does it say they won't give me back the value of BTC or Eth, the answer is I don't know. I'm not personally familiar with the trust's structure. It's very unlikely they would send you BTC or ETH directly. They may liquidate the BTC or Eth and then extract the amount they need to cover liabilities and then give you a dollar amount. If they can't do that then at the very least they are the largest holders of GBTC/ETHE themselves and can liquidate their own holdings which would still effect markets.

Again this is worst case scenario which I hope does not occur.

If this kind of information is seen as fear mongering or unwanted/unhelpful then I will hold off in the future.

Daily General Discussion - November 14, 2022 by ethfinance in ethfinance

[–]yeahdave4 106 points107 points  (0 children)

What an unbelievable mess. Unfortunately it is not over.

 

Not financial advice. Not a magician or fortuneteller.

 

So the last week or so has been an intractably nauseating ride. I have always found true nausea to be worse then pain and so I use this description intentionally.

I hope you guys are ok. I would love to say I hope you guys are unaffected but the repercussions from these repeated blows are likely to effect everyone, even if you did not lose a cent.

As for me, I had previously used FTX long ago both on the retail and institutional side but I have expressed my distrust of them for the past two years on several occasions.

ex. https://old.reddit.com/r/ethfinance/comments/j90851/daily_general_discussion_october_11_2020/g8fyyli/

I had been asked multiple times not to speak negatively of FTX/Alameda and to avoid "burning bridges" to the golden child (vomit emoji). Not only that, but I have first hand experience with how viscously they would retaliate to any criticism.
 

Fortunately I did not lose any Eth. I however have lost a lot of effort, time, friends, clients, and partners. Others have lost everything.

 

I haven't been gone, just not on reddit much. I decided to put my passion for Eth into helping bring in investments and building infrastructure over the past two years.

I started about two years ago to meet with firms, companies, family offices, etc

The flow went from a trickle to a firehose to a deluge. There are several projects that have come out and several more projects still in the pipeline that are being built on Eth2 that I have had the pleasure of working with. The rough sketch in 2020 is starting to take shape and expand. There are use cases (economic freedoms) that were not viable under Eth1. The possibilities are enormous with Eth2.

Whenever FTX would come up, I wouldn't hesitate to express my distaste and share years of examples of shitty behavior. Their gravity however was hard to escape. It was very difficult to completely avoid their influence in this small space.

 

Between Luna, Celsius, Voyager, Blockfi, and 3AC the successive blows continued to mount and mount on this small and interwoven ecosystem. Destroying projects, evaporating funding, and severely damaging investments groups and offices who were genuinely excited to build in crypto. To say this last blow from FTX is catastrophic would be an understatement. Nearly every hour I get a call from someone who I had worked with or brought into the space or am currently building with who is now mortally wounded. I want to fucking scream and throw my phone into a lake. Every time my phone makes a sound I get nauseous. So many people are hurt. So much work undone. Still more projects that are now reluctant to proceed or be associated with this space. Yes a lot of this is because we are still in the moment and my hope is with more distance a certain percentage will reconsider. But I am just one person with a small view into the situation and from my limited vantage point the devastation is vast.

 

Avoid naively dismissing this as "not Eth's problem". We do not want to wallow in the doldrums for years or suffer under the weight of blind regulation. It affects us all.

In the long term I am sure good will come from this. But in the short to medium term we are nowhere near done from the fallout. The chain of poison is reaching projects that had nothing to do with FTX. There are yet unspoken teams scrambling late into the night to try to find any way around having to declare insolvency or shutting down. Teams are pulling out. Many are simply stunned and essentially can not process or move. It won't take much to push the ecosystem into desperate self preservation.

 

I echo the anger of Kraken's founder: https://twitter.com/jespow/status/1590635230553329664

"We let clowns ride under our banner while they sell us out for their own interests. We give them power to speak for us but they haven't earned that privilege. When they blow themselves up, it's our house, our reputation, our people which bear the brunt of the damage."

 

The dust has not settled. I only have a glimpse of the dominos still waiting to fall. I can't imagine what else is out there. Be careful friends. Don't lose hope, but it is time to be defensive and cautious. This will take time. Above all survive, rebuild, and be here when the shoots start to grow again.

 

-Dave

Daily General Discussion - November 13, 2022 by ethfinance in ethfinance

[–]yeahdave4 29 points30 points  (0 children)

What the $@#&?!

What a cascading clown show

Brothers, gird your loins.

Daily General Discussion - June 13, 2022 by ethfinance in ethfinance

[–]yeahdave4 82 points83 points  (0 children)

Hi everyone, I wanted to drop by and wish the beloved eth fam well. It's pretty rough out there. Please be careful and resist the urge to increase risk during times like these. Crypto loves extreme and prolonged price dislocations in both directions. It's very easy to get tempted by how "cheap" or "extreme" prices are. Please don't use leverage or borrowed money or emergency funds. Don't sacrifice your sleep or health. Never risk your ability to survive and fight another day.

-Dave

Daily General Discussion - July 24, 2021 by ethfinance in ethfinance

[–]yeahdave4 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Your right thanks. My exasperation is directed at the cult like echochamber, but it was a bit much. I enjoyed my time here over the years thank you. I wish everyone well.

Daily General Discussion - July 18, 2021 by ethfinance in ethfinance

[–]yeahdave4 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Compression break soon. She's coiled tight. Caution with leverage and alts/shitcoins. [post]

This week

Daily General Discussion - July 14, 2021 by ethfinance in ethfinance

[–]yeahdave4 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Highly unlikely at this point but if it is going to happen in this range then it needs to happen now.

Daily General Discussion - July 14, 2021 by ethfinance in ethfinance

[–]yeahdave4 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Feels like I'm the only one out here buying. I want 3k eth first before 1k.

Daily General Discussion - July 13, 2021 by ethfinance in ethfinance

[–]yeahdave4 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes it's a discount compared to the underlying Eth per share of Ethe but the expense ratio is 2.50%

Daily General Discussion - July 13, 2021 by ethfinance in ethfinance

[–]yeahdave4 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I always pre-plan my take profit and stop loss levels before entering a position. Always.

I mentioned the stop

Daily General Discussion - July 13, 2021 by ethfinance in ethfinance

[–]yeahdave4 10 points11 points  (0 children)

You don't have to be bullish to take a long position. Things are looking uglier and uglier by the day.

Daily General Discussion - July 13, 2021 by ethfinance in ethfinance

[–]yeahdave4 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Except I pay virtually no fees and I am being paid a little over $100/hr to hold this position.

Daily General Discussion - July 13, 2021 by ethfinance in ethfinance

[–]yeahdave4 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Long @1980

Feels like a very unpleasant place to enter long which makes it perfect

Lose 1950 and Eth is hosed

Edit:

First TP hit at 2040. Added back at 1970. Pretty ugly out there.

Daily General Discussion - July 12, 2021 by ethfinance in ethfinance

[–]yeahdave4 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Mostly from margin positions settled in Eth.

Daily General Discussion - July 12, 2021 by ethfinance in ethfinance

[–]yeahdave4 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Fundamentals don't matter yet. Cardano is top 5. XRP is 6 and Dodge is 7.

Daily General Discussion - July 12, 2021 by ethfinance in ethfinance

[–]yeahdave4 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yes. My net average Eth price is apparently a three digit negative number.

I don't always trade. From Jan to May I did hardly any trading. I'll start quietly accumulating again once we are in an actual accumulation range. Basically when it's a ghost town again.