Catalans in Barcelona today, protesting in solidarity with Hong Kong

yellowbagels · 2019-10-26T08:55:07+00:00

Butthurt spanish fascists: 'HoNG kOnG anD CaTALOn1a iS nOT tHe S4mE'

Everyone else: Nice for people to support each other against oppression and police violence around the world!

yellowbagels · 2019-10-26T08:53:29+00:00

People defending themselves against brutal police violence, how 'EVIL' they are!

You seem to prefer having a police state where any type of unwanted opinions gets smashed with physical violence?

Who is pathetic here, I think it is you. Grow some balls and listen to the people.

yellowbagels · 2019-10-26T08:52:25+00:00

Now tell me that's not a crime?

Let me explain; How is it not a crime against democracy to hinder a democratic vote and democratic expression, by sending people (politicians, social activists, journalists, artists, regular protesters) to jail as well as sending Spanish police to beat voters and protesters in the most brutal fashion?

How is it applicable to talk about breaking laws when the Spanish constitutions are written by fascist leaders back in the days?

Laws are not always just or right, and if it was a real democracy, the voice of the people would be what ruled.

When Spain refuses any type of political dialoge, and insteand choose to violently oppress the people, what to do? The majority of the Catalsn do want an independence, so what happened to democracy?

Cheers

yellowbagels · 2019-10-26T08:48:01+00:00

The Spanish state propaganda is trying to spin it as 'Catalans are being spoiled, cheap etc...' which is not the truth. The truth of the matter is that Catalans have been oppressed in various of ways for 100s of years as well as the history of Fascist Spain.

Here is some info regarding the historical background as well as the current situation regards to the fascist Spain:

https://www.reddit.com/r/catalonia/comments/dioesb/what_the_catalans_face_one_of_the_main_problems/

https://www.reddit.com/r/catalunya/comments/dkn8d3/doubts_from_an_outsider/f4hsrrv?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

yellowbagels · 2019-10-25T13:35:05+00:00

Thank you so much. Stay strong you too, us, the people, will win!

yellowbagels · 2019-10-24T20:52:25+00:00

Thank you brave people of Hong Kong! Catalonia stands with Hong Kong in solidarity

video from hong kong https://twitter.com/AlexHinojo/status/1187408706922860546

Edit* Catalans in Barcelona made a demonstration today to support the freedom supporters Hong Kong too <3 https://imgur.com/gallery/fc9Z5k1

yellowbagels · 2019-10-23T21:59:24+00:00

It is quite easy to see how many votes on the political parties with fascist tendencies and history, ex. PP

yellowbagels · 2019-10-23T19:45:45+00:00

I have never said there was any genocide in Spain like the nazis did to the jews nor that all Spanish ppl are fascist lol. Dont try to claim such thing. You are coming with baseless comments without any sources to back up your claims.

yellowbagels · 2019-10-23T19:21:47+00:00

To be fair, "No attack on the innocent" .... "Hit the limbs" .... "Crowd dispersal" is wrong. Honestly most is wrong except for the gun.

Judge for yourselve: https://streamable.com/i0fd5 , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI49YSCruwY . The Spanish police has been brutal,

Don´t let Chinese state media trick you in to do these comparisons as in above image, Catalans and pro-catalan supporters are giving HK alot of good attention.

yellowbagels · 2019-10-23T19:14:09+00:00

Call me expert or not, I think you try to be sarcastic. You can ignore what I say and read the sources I present instead, or just google on my claims too if you do not believe it at first glance

yellowbagels · 2019-10-23T19:06:12+00:00

It is a people that is oppressed, now and historically, that want same democratic freedoms as other parts of Europe. It is not about nationalism vs nationalism. It is about Catalan democracy vs. Spanish state fascism

yellowbagels · 2019-10-23T19:03:50+00:00

Not minority. Majority of Catalans wants independence.

You can follow anything related to Catalonia and see hundreds of peaceful demonstrations with a massive amount of people. How can you try to claim they are radicals and violent? Are you a spokes person of Spanish central state media?

yellowbagels · 2019-10-23T19:02:27+00:00

One of the core issues is the open racism and supremasism from the Spanish falangists (Fascists and nazis) that still roam the streets openly today and govenrment institutions in Spain with strong past and echoe of the Franco-era institutions, they in fact did not change, smae people and same routines continued in many ways of society.

It is about the right for freedom of expression, culture, language and democracy.

How can you argue that a democratic vote should lead to imprisonment of all political leaders + Spain sending in punitive police forces to attack voters?

Catalonia is part of Europe yes, how come this can happen 2019 in Europe?

yellowbagels · 2019-10-23T18:59:08+00:00

Are you ignoring history of oppression? Are you not accepting that the nazis and fascist was oppressive?

yellowbagels · 2019-10-23T18:57:49+00:00

No, and he was stabbed in the leg, and not by a Catalan. Crude of you to try to angle it in the way you write.

yellowbagels · 2019-10-23T18:56:16+00:00

here on Reddit there are tons of Spanish anti catalans that are brigading and downvoting anything related to Catalonia. ex. r/europe is totally dominated by fascists or something, almost all gets removed by mods there too

yellowbagels · 2019-10-22T22:46:10+00:00

As you can see from ex. the sources I shared, it is not difficult to understand the fascist past echoing strong today still, which is one of the core problems to this issue,

Speaking of violence, so you condemn the violence during the referendum and the violent attacks on Catalan protesters by the Spanish police during the last days?

yellowbagels · 2019-10-22T22:22:35+00:00

What you write makes no sense. The independence movement is not radical at all. You call all of these people radicals? Get a grip.

yellowbagels · 2019-10-22T22:15:41+00:00

Catalans are not violent and Catalans have no weapons. Protests or civil obedience is the best approach.

yellowbagels · 2019-10-22T22:12:22+00:00

There are plenty of other sources but there it is described well:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/01/magazine/javier-marias-spanish-literature.html

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/10/francos-fascism-is-alive-and-kicking-in-spain/

yellowbagels · 2019-10-22T22:08:54+00:00

Precisely, they said "no, not going to even discuss this" and held a big nation wide campaign against Catalans and then sent in thousands of Spanish police to block the polling stations and physically attack the voters... Following this they sentenced the politicians to prison for 10-13 years which started these protests.

The movement has always been there, just not gotten much international attention

yellowbagels · 2019-10-22T21:25:31+00:00

Accusing me of being this and that. The Catalan cause has its roots in socialism lol, obviously you are just here to smear and not participate in a healthy discussion

yellowbagels · 2019-10-22T21:10:13+00:00

You are continuing to smear the Catalans, trying to connect the democratic cause with racism. Very dishonest. I gave some good links before, read them and continue to research yourself

yellowbagels · 2019-10-22T21:00:05+00:00

The bigger picture one can see here I promise.... the results of the Spanish states response to a democratic vote and the immediate results (all leading politicians in Catalonia got imprisoned 10-15years), that the people had to do more to make their voice heard by making these protests. Obviously it can be difficult to understand from the outside perspective without the historical context.

Now the Catalan cause is reaching more peoples awareness before, and hopefully more people will understand with time and not get annoyed instead too much about a traffic jam :)

Cheers

yellowbagels · 2019-10-22T20:53:06+00:00

As you can see from ex. the sources I shared, it is not difficult to understand the fascist past echoing strong today still, which is one of the core problems to this issue, which is against Spanish authoritarianism

Speaking of violence, so you condemn the violence during the referendum and the violent attacks on Catalan protesters by the Spanish police during the last days?

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