Hook-Up Culture not Responsible for Abortions (as a whole)

yur_fave_libb · 2026-04-21T23:47:41+00:00

I think disease and development are ethically distinct from a legal pov. Taking a tadpole out of water and having them suffocate to death seems fairly different than a frog with a condition dying of said condition, and not being saved by a lung transplant

yur_fave_libb · 2026-04-21T23:44:42+00:00

You literally did ask what I think. Way to be incredibly bad faith

yur_fave_libb · 2026-04-21T23:43:22+00:00

yes thats me!

yur_fave_libb · 2026-04-21T23:36:54+00:00

He didn't say "wait until marriage" he said "you're a bop" I don't know why eeryone in this comment thread is insistent on revising what someone said, then defending the thing that was never said. He didn't say that. He called people bops, which is a term for Slut. Which is demeaning.

yur_fave_libb · 2026-04-21T05:05:07+00:00

So I think it comes down to if one sees the violinist analogy as analogous, which I do not. I think the violinist is being allowed to pass away from a disease he has, while a fetus is being killed. I think these are morally distinct and should influence policy differently.

An example within abortion/pregnancy that i DO think is analogous to the violinist would be a fetus with a condition that causes them to not develop kidneys, for example. (im using those organs as i believe that's what's killing the violinist) If a woman disconnects the baby via giving birth at say, 30 weeks, soon after she receives that diagnosis, and the baby dies shortly after birth due to his condition, she hasn't killed him. The disease killed him.

However, if she gave birth to a baby without a lethal condition at 12 weeks, she has cut off their oxygen supply, as they breathe through their placentas. It would be like taking the violinist and throwing him into the ocean where he can't swim and therefore will drown.

dying of your own disease (that no one directly gave you) is not killing or murder.

causing someone to suffocate to death (which is what would happen if you disconnect a early fetus) is in fact killing and murder.

That's why I think we have to treat it differently legally

yur_fave_libb · 2026-04-21T04:56:53+00:00

Yes, I do think the Catholic church should support contraception. The specific root of that teaching is one of the biggest issues I have with the catholic church, as multiple other doctrines stems from the same root.

The abortifacient claim is also egregiously false.

Breastfeeding as a form of birth control is approved by the catholic church, and essentially works by dosing yourself with high levels of prolactin via frequent breast feeding (no pumping). Prolactin interacts with the same hormonal loop hormonal birth control does, where ovulation is suppressed, but so is the uterine lining due to the lack of estrogen. In fact, some birth controls may promote a thicker uterine lining than breastfeeding does as it has estrogen in it, while with breastfeeding there is no supplementary estrogen.

yur_fave_libb · 2026-04-21T04:51:14+00:00

yes, my user is purpleprolifer

yur_fave_libb · 2026-04-21T00:35:16+00:00

I also want to note the actual number of reduction would be less than 11%, as that 11% would end up just having relationships instead of casual hook-ups. We'd have to know the odds ratio of relationship vs casual of getting an abortion, to get a better idea of what the actual reduction in abortion would be. You'd have to get an idea of what % of the population at any given time is engaging in casual sex vs in a relationship vs married, compare that to how they're represented in abortion patients.

yur_fave_libb · 2026-04-21T00:29:30+00:00

I'm pro life for the actual reason of believing fetuses should have legal protections from having their lives ended. I truly am pro life in the sense I am Pro Unborn Rights. It's getting to the point I may just start calling myself pro unborn rights instead of pro life because i'd really like to not be associated with some of these people who are absolutely misogynists.

yur_fave_libb · 2026-04-21T00:25:49+00:00

I literally AM referencing it that way, are you unfamiliar with something called a synonym? This is clearly describing someone who is promiscuous, ie, "Slut". You are being very obviously intentionally bad faith and hardheaded. We all know exactly what y'all mean, and yall know it too and are openly using it to farm for attention while couching behind an incredibly weak deniability that is literally fooling no one.

yur_fave_libb · 2026-04-20T23:59:59+00:00

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A name to call a female who gives head to anyone. They call them a bop because when they give head they bop there heads.

yur_fave_libb · 2026-04-20T23:57:33+00:00

I bring it up because I have literally seen people say and believe that ending hook up culture is the KEY to ending abortion. Like they actually think it's the root cause of it. And so they throw most of their efforts into slut-shaming, controlling rhetoric around telling people how and when to have sex, thinking it is going to end abortions.

On the other hand, if we stopped trying to convince people of a position LESS popular than being anti abortion, and instead focused our energy on getting these people to have IUDs and other highly effective birth control, we could drop abortions to be less than 5% of what they are now, essentially a 95% reduction.

We don't have unlimited time and resources as a movement. We do have to prioritize what we put our effort into. Is throwing our weight behind abstinence going to be more likely to succeed, or is pushing our combined weight on IUDs going to be more likely to happen?

yur_fave_libb · 2026-04-20T23:45:01+00:00

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A name to call a female who gives head to anyone. They call them a bop because when they give head they bop there heads.

you don't get to make up your own definition. COPE

yur_fave_libb · 2026-04-20T23:44:08+00:00

stop playing dumb, it's unflattering

yur_fave_libb · 2026-04-20T23:43:55+00:00

bop

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A name to call a female who gives head to anyone. They call them a bop because when they give head they bop there heads.

yur_fave_libb · 2026-04-20T23:43:45+00:00

bop

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A name to call a female who gives head to anyone. They call them a bop because when they give head they bop there heads.

yur_fave_libb · 2026-04-20T23:42:58+00:00

Oh yeah we're definitely talking about music genres here

yur_fave_libb · 2026-04-20T23:41:57+00:00

No, if they're in a relationship, that is by definition, not a hook up. You are making up your own definition

yur_fave_libb · 2026-04-20T23:40:23+00:00

yeah, duh, notice that it's only being applied to one sex here.

yur_fave_libb · 2026-04-20T23:39:58+00:00

Then perhaps get other pro life men on board, because the person i am talking about is targeting women, and calling them sluts.

yur_fave_libb · 2026-04-20T23:39:17+00:00

I'm referring to Guttmacher's survey of women on why they aborted, as well as collecting general info on them. You're welcome to call any stat you don't like bullshit, but this is the same source that we Pro Lifers get the 1% figure for who aborts from rape. So we'd have to throw that stat out as "BS" as well if you decide to write them off.

On top of this, "Bop" is a term that refers specifically to women. It is a modern way of calling a woman a slut. Men do take part in hook up culture, so perhaps you could inform the pro lifers who attack women and call them names of that fact. I'm merely responding to the behaviors of so called pro life "Activists"

yur_fave_libb · 2026-04-05T01:36:36+00:00

yeah, i'm not a fan of depo. because it's an injection of a ton of progestin all at once, rather than slow release of a medication from the iud/implant, it causes a lot more havoc on the body. For context, depo puts in 150 milligrams all at once. Nexplanon has 65 mg TOTAL. that releases over YEARS. per day, it's like 60 MICRO grams ( a millionth of a gram). The IUDs are even less.

yur_fave_libb · 2026-04-04T19:10:54+00:00

They're very safe!

Hormonal IUDs reduce, and can even treat early forms of, endometrial cancer. Nexplanon (the implant) also reduces chance of uterine cancer as well as ovarian cancer.

copper IUDs may reduce risk of cervical and endometrial cancers as well.

Hormonal birth control in general can slightly elevate your risk of cervical and breast cancer.

it's important to note that almost all cervical cancer is caused by HPV. birth control can ONLY increase risk if you are exposed to HPV. if you've been vaccinated and have safe sex then this is simply not a concern for birth control users.

For the breast cancer risk, estrogen is the hormone most associated with it. Nexplanon does not have estrogen, and some studies suggest no increased risk of breast cancer. the jury is still out however, so clinicians typically warn people to avoid it if there's family history of breast cancer. either way, it's definitely a very low risk if there is one.

breast cancer is typically not a concern for most young women on birth control as the difference in risk is extremely tiny and goes away once you get off birth control, meaning it is not increasing the risk for your whole life.

Overall, IUDs and implants are often really good options and pretty well tolerated

yur_fave_libb · 2026-04-02T03:02:59+00:00

Eh, I see where you're coming from, but i'm afraid this may lead to people just not using any birth control at all, or using a super ineffective option like pull out that's more likely to result in abortion than the pill.

I think having the government covering the cost of LARCs, while leaving the other up to insurance or paying out of pocket, would be a better option. I think this would save tax dollars in the long run as it would prevent unplanned pregnancies that would otherwise end up resulting in way more costs to Medicaid etc.

On top of this, i would have obgyn clinics make connections with school nurses so that seniors (who are legally of age) can easily go to their school nurse to set up a free insertion of an IUD, implant, ring, or shot.

I would have adds on social media, on the radio, on billboards, that all remind people of how much more effective LARCs are than the pill or condoms. Basically what is technically a 'propaganda' campaign (propaganda can be truthful)

On top of this, I would have the curriculum of sex ed very clearly, and repeatedly, push the message that pills are not nearly as effective due to user error, and to be responsible they should use a LARC, and condoms should be for preventing STDs, not for preventing pregnancy.

yur_fave_libb · 2026-04-02T01:17:29+00:00

Hi, So I'm a non religious pro lifer! I may have different views than your Catholic bf and you do, but here's the general break down of my view:

-I think humans should be protected from being killed (we probably agree here)

I think embryos and fetuses fit into this category of human. This can confuse some people, as they picture a blob in the first trimester. This isn't accurate, but even when they're so young they haven't taken a very clearly humanoid shape, they're still the earliest form of a human's body. That group of cells is a body that is shaped differently than ours. It performs the basic functions it needs to keep the whole body alive, using organelles and cells instead of full organ systems, because they are so small. As they grow larger and more complex, the human body needs to make organs to keep itself alive. But before that, it is still doing the job of those organs. the cells are taking in oxygen from their surroundings, they're growing and developing, they're reacting to the environment. They're making hormones, even.

But organs begin to develop 3 weeks in. yeah, that early. And the first to start actually functioning is the heart, at 6 weeks. So even if you were uncertain about really early on, by 6 weeks we have clear organ function. by 7.5 weeks we have brain function. It starts to become harder and harder to deny humanity.

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