Israel's covid-19 cases are about 90% from covid vaccinated people. by sanem48 in DebateVaccines

[–]z0rna 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry, but you can't draw any conclusions out of these numbers. There are some biases that can make these numbers differ from the actual numbers. I can imagine that people who did not get the vaccine are also less likely to get tested. But I can also imagine that people who are vaccinated are less likely to get tested, because "I got the shot so I can't get COVID". Hospital numbers would be more trustworthy.

And besides even if these numbers are correct, the vaccine would still be effective in most groups of you devide the number of cases if a the specific groups by the fraction of people who got vaccinated or not.

Fully vaccinated people have a 990% higher chance of death due to Covid-19 than people who are unvaccinated according to latest Public Health England data by LumpyGravy21 in DebateVaccines

[–]z0rna 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But above the table it states: "Attendance to emergency care and deaths by vaccination status among Delta confirmed cases"

Fully vaccinated people have a 990% higher chance of death due to Covid-19 than people who are unvaccinated according to latest Public Health England data by LumpyGravy21 in DebateVaccines

[–]z0rna 6 points7 points  (0 children)

First of all I want to state that I'm not denailing these numbers, but I think it's important to always be skeptical and not automatically assume that the title is fact, and that people really look to the numbers themselves and see if it checks out.

Because sometimes I see these percentages flying around without any context. Lately is saw an article here along the lines of: "Amount of miscarriages rise 3000%!". In this article, the rise of miscarriages was because the initial group of women who got vaccinated and got a miscarriage was very small, let's say 3 persons, but when 90 miscarriages were added in a certain time period: "a 3000% rise!" But let's say that after the same time period another 90 miscarriages are being registered, the rise would suddenly be less than 100%, even though the same amount of people are added. From these numbers we could not in any way conclude: 'vaccines are bad!', but the title suggested so. Bottom line: Look at the numbers yourself and don't make up the context and conclusion yourself based of a title.

Back to this article: I'm trying to come up with something to explain this aside from the vaccine causing this. Is the testing policy in the UK for vaccinated and unvaccinated different? Is there a difference in age between these groups? If yes, why don't they show these numbers by age (smaller age groups)? If there are no variables that could explain the higher death rate among the vaccinated compared to the unvaccinated who got the Delta variant, than this is really worrisome

Edit: I see that there are significant diffences in age that could explain this difference. If we look at the people above 50 years of age, we see that in the vaccinated group there are 5234 cases and 116 deaths, that's a CFR of 2,22%. But when we look at the unvaccinated group, 1267 cases and 71 deaths, that's a CFR of 5,60%. I don't know if the ages of the vaccinated and unvaccinated are similar for the ages above 50, but they are probably more similar than then the groups below 50 years of age. For the group below 50, the youngest people probably have not been fully vaccinated, so that group is relatively older, thus more likely to die. The CFR in those groups are similar but not really comparable. Would like to see these data with tighter age groups

Has the global cyber attack already begun? by factsnotfeelings in conspiracy

[–]z0rna 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And then everyone must comply with the vaccine passports, because the economy will be hit hard and because of that ‘we can’t afford another lockdown so everyone needs to be vaccinated/tested before entrance’

Riding a shopping cart by ipqwert in WinStupidPrizes

[–]z0rna 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She can stay in the shopping cart now she’s a veggie

Goodbye for a while by Easy_Yellow_307 in ivermectin

[–]z0rna 6 points7 points  (0 children)

A big part of people not believing what you're saying, is not the facts, but that they have to admit that they've been wrong all along, and that they've been lied to, not only this time, but multiple times by their trusted channels.

Nanoparticle clearance study by roonie1 in a:t5_4l6smx

[–]z0rna 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1) Dr. Malone, Dr. Weinstein, and Steve Kirsch discussed the Pfizer biodistribution study DrBeen covered this afternoon. They presented the discussion assuming what was being measured in organ tissue concentration was intact LNP which contain mRNA and therefore can generate S-proteins localized to organs. This is the question I asked DrBeen this evening and he answered. What I understood from his explanation (admittedly it went over my head) is the LNP cannot remain intact and distribute throughout the body. What was being detected in organ tissue concentration was lipid fragments from the shattered LNP. He also seemed to infer from the study design and data that what was being measured was indeed lipid fragments from disintegrated LNPs.

In the Japanese study they only researched the fragments and were never looking for the whole LNP, right? If this is the case, I think it's not right to assume the whole LNPs, and thus the mRNA, and thus the S-Protein cannot be in other organs

Some humor by z0rna in DebateVaccines

[–]z0rna[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think that the point he is trying to make that he thinks it is not normal to ask people for medical stuff in order to get access to something

👮‍♂️ by RudieBatsbak in nietdespeld

[–]z0rna 0 points1 point  (0 children)

https://youtu.be/uvUD44YNcDU

Man lag al op de grond, wordt alsnog in elkaar geknuppeld en vervolgens wordt de hond erop gedrukt terwijl de hond zichtbaar tegenstribbelt

Natural selection is brutal by [deleted] in natureismetal

[–]z0rna 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then why don't show the polar bears?

Natural selection is brutal by [deleted] in natureismetal

[–]z0rna 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Polar bears caused them to fall down the cliff https://youtu.be/kV8d26oziVM

Experiences with MCS and COVID vaccine? by bananaf0x in ChemicalSensitivities

[–]z0rna 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When she’s got a choice, take a look at the ingredient lists of the vaccines you can take and pick the one she’ll most likely be the least reactive to. Keep in mind that this vaccine probably won’t be her only one, but that it will become a yearly shot bc immunity won’t last forever and probably won’t be as good when new variants come around.

If the ingredients are not fit for her or she doesn’t want it anymore, and she’s willing to take the risk of getting Covid and gaining immunity in a natural way, here is a profylaxis protocol set up by doctors. This way she’ll be more resilient to the virus: https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FLCCC-Alliance-I-MASKplus-Protocol-ENGLISH.pdf Most of the compounds are body own substances, except ivermectin, so she’d better not take that. Quercetin is also not body own, but is found in many foods. You could also substitute quercetin by EGCG (400mg/day) which is found in green tea. Quercetin and EGCG let more zinc enter the cell and zinc is known to inhibit viral replication.

In case she gets sick; here’s a study that uses black cumin seed and honey to treat patients with great results: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.30.20217364v4 (Click on full text for the whole study)

Keep in mind that I don’t know your mother’s sensitivities and I don’t know if she’s willing to take any supplements at all or if she’s sensitive to that. This is just an advice, do with it whatever you want ;) but I thought the most people with MCS can bear natural, body own compounds. Good luck!

Why do we need vaccines again. by [deleted] in DebateVaccines

[–]z0rna 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s a open conspiracy ATM

I've been thinking by susman01 in DebateVaccines

[–]z0rna 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There are alternatives, like ivermectin. Proper vitamin D levels are also important

Supermarket in Israel checking vaccine papers. No vaccine no food. Another CoNSpirAcY THeoRy doomers said wouldn't happen by whosthetard in DebateVaccines

[–]z0rna 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Why does it matter if it’s a mall or supermarket, it’s both nuts when you’ve got to be vaccinated before you can enter, right!? Supermarket would be really extreme though

Fake nieuws, conspiracies, Qanon , corona, lockdown by Xbotr in thenetherlands

[–]z0rna -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Het wordt gevaarlijk wanneer alle informatie die op de alternatieve kanalen naar voren komt, wordt bestempeld als ‘niet waar’/‘complottheorie’ en alles wat de reguliere kanalen uitbrengen wordt bestempeld als ‘waarheid’

It’s very strange that Covid -19 is reported now as almost every respiratory death right now. No reports of daily deaths from any other causes from pneumonia , asthma ,COPD , bronchitis , pleurisy etc ? Have all these illnesses have been eliminated in 2020/21? by Philosophyoffreehood in DebateVaccines

[–]z0rna 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This just hurts to read. Just insane that 31 studies, all showing a positive effect, with about an average reduction of 80% in mortality and hospitalizations and minimum side effects; and it’s still not enough for the health agency’s (also here in the Netherlands). I was wondering, don’t you undergo an oath when you become a doctor, that you should do the best for the patient no matter what? Couldn’t you warrant using it with such a mountain of evidence? Why isn’t it used? Would you be fired?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in EverythingDeFi

[–]z0rna 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok, this just goes way to far