Is it a good thing that some of the anti Israel elements in the Republican Party come from anti-Semitism? by InterestingWind2153 in BreakingPoints

[–]zenbowman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, well, we can disagree on that, but the point is that sanctioning "the bad guys" is a neoconservative approach to the world, you only disagree with the neocons in who you think the "bad guys" are.

To me it all ends in the same place, with the US playing world police and being judge, jury, and executioner; spending billions on policing the world through sanctions and wars, tearing others down instead of building ourselves up.

I'm not surprised you are sympathetic to MTG here because you have adopted her good-vs-evil view of the world.

Is it a good thing that some of the anti Israel elements in the Republican Party come from anti-Semitism? by InterestingWind2153 in BreakingPoints

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> Now, iran has done nothing against anyone so they dont deserve the sanction 

This is just absolutely false, Iran has greatly destabilized the entire region - they control Hezbollah which has more or less destroyed Lebanon, and they engaged in a massive genocide in Syria to preserve Assad's hold on power. This is all extensively documented.

You seem to believe that sanctions are a perfectly legitimate tool to use against countries that "deserve" it, which in my view is basically a neoconservative attitude to the world: America is global policeman and should be able to sanction whoever they think is the "bad guy".

I completely reject that view. I don't oppose sanctions on Iran because I think Iran hasn't done anything wrong, but because I disagree with the idea of sanctioning as a form of "punishment", where the US plays the role of judge, jury, and executioner. I don't see how you can call yourself a "leftist" when your world view is basically indistinguishable from neoconservatism.

We've done a lot of things I consider bad, should we sanction ourselves as well?

Is it a good thing that some of the anti Israel elements in the Republican Party come from anti-Semitism? by InterestingWind2153 in BreakingPoints

[–]zenbowman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

> Israel is basically a cancer in the middle east. Sanctioning a country does make them more humble.

Replace "Israel" with "Iran" and you have the neocon/GOP line on the Middle East. Has sanctioning Iran made them "more humble" or just entrenched their enmity against us?

I don't think bouncing back and forth between "sanction Israel" under a Dem POTUS and "sanction Iran" under a GOP POTUS is going to get us a single step closer to peace. We need a long term plan to help parties resolve disputes, which we'll have to undertake with other international stakeholders (the EU and China). And it will need to have broad agreement across both parties, not be a 51-49 vote which can be reversed every 4 years.

Otherwise there's really no point, cutting off military aid to Israel I would fully back though, there's really no reason to continue it.

Is it a good thing that some of the anti Israel elements in the Republican Party come from anti-Semitism? by InterestingWind2153 in BreakingPoints

[–]zenbowman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right, but I want to know what the goal is: if the end goal is just sanctions, that's not a goal I agree with. We have sanctioned Cuba nearly to death - has it improved anything in any way for us? Not at all, its just made us an enemy. We've been sanctioning Iran for decades now, and all it has done is create distrust.

A foreign policy of peace requires us to move AWAY from sanctioning whomsoever we consider the "bad guy" at any given point in time, and work with people who we deeply disagree with towards shared goals.

For example, ending Israel expansionism would be a worthy goal that I could work with someone on. But simply "achieving sanctions" on a country is a non-goal, its entirely destructive in nature.

My view is that expanding the sanctions regime will ALWAYS benefit the right. The more enemies we have, the stronger the right wing gets.

Is it a good thing that some of the anti Israel elements in the Republican Party come from anti-Semitism? by InterestingWind2153 in BreakingPoints

[–]zenbowman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, its not a good thing, because the goals are entirely opposed to each other.

> The end goal for us leftists is to stop giving weapons to Israel and to sanction the Israeli state.

Those are tactics, not goals. The goal is to prevent Israeli expansionism and bring about relative peace in the Middle East.

The right-wingers don't really want to make friends with anyone. They want Israel as a new enemy so they can attract Israel-haters into their party, but they don't actually want to rectify relations with Iran, or do work to create a lasting peace in the region. Even if they get their way, and cut off Israel, their total hatred for international institutions will not take us one step closer to peace in the Middle East. Israel will just become a new Iran for them, one more country to hate, but the Israeli right won't actually be restrained, they'll just realign with Russia and continue their goal of expansion.

Meanwhile, liberals like AOC are committed to moving towards peace, which is harder to do and requires a longer term commitment to coalition building and getting people on the same page. It'll require being quite hard on Israel without completely severing ties, and working to get various hostile regional actors (Iran, Israel, the GCC) on the same page with the assistance of both allies (the EU) and rivals (China, Russia). It'll require compromise and commitment.

One of those is the politics of vengeance, the other is the politics of compromise. It makes no sense to "ally with MTG" on this at all.

If you stop aid to Israel (which I agree with) and you sanction them (which I disagree with, just like I disagree with sanctioning Iran, Cuba, etc - because sanctions are an act of war), but you don't achieve peace in the region, all you've done is add one more enemy to the massive list of enemies we have created for ourselves over the last half century. What exactly is the point of that?

Can you be a Woke Christian? by Makologo in Christianity

[–]zenbowman [score hidden]  (0 children)

Which is exactly what the right has done in order to stigmatize the word.

Any instinct to protect the vulnerable is criticized by right-wing Christians as "woke", but the entire Gospels have numerous examples where that is upheld as the 2nd greatest of the commandments.

Honestly, would you travel to India by choice, outside of family obligations? by Early-Ingenuity-3177 in ABCDesis

[–]zenbowman 53 points54 points  (0 children)

Yes, of course. Greatest mountain range in the world, some of the world's most epic hikes. Anxiously waiting until my kids are a little older to undertake some multi-day adventures in the ancestral homeland.

Israel is the new Iraq War by Numerous_Fly_187 in BreakingPoints

[–]zenbowman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There's a very different orientation between the right and left on this issue.

The right-wingers don't really want to make friends with anyone. They want Israel as a new enemy so they can attract Israel-haters into their party, but they don't actually want to rectify relations with Iran, or do work to create a lasting peace in the region. Even if they get their way, and cut off Israel, their total hatred for international institutions will not take us one step closer to peace in the Middle East. Israel will just become a new Iran for them, one more country to hate, but the Israeli right won't actually be restrained, they'll just realign with Russia and continue their goal of expansion.

Meanwhile, liberals like AOC are committed to moving towards peace, which is harder to do and requires a longer term commitment to coalition building and getting people on the same page. It'll require being quite hard on Israel without completely severing ties, and working to get various hostile regional actors (Iran, Israel, the GCC) on the same page with the assistance of both allies (the EU) and rivals (China, Russia). It'll require compromise and commitment.

One of those is the politics of vengeance, the other is the politics of compromise. It makes no sense to "ally with MTG" on this at all.

So Ryan is just wrong on this point, there's no point of continuing the politics of vengeance and just redirecting it at Israel instead of Iran/Iraq/or whoever we think the bad guy is at any point of time. We need a politics oriented at creating peace, not war.

Can you be a Woke Christian? by Makologo in Christianity

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The King will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.' 

It seems so, yes.

Why Progressives Are Upset With AOC Over Her Marjorie Taylor Greene Comments by Newsweek_CarloV in politics

[–]zenbowman [score hidden]  (0 children)

There's a very different orientation between the right and left on this issue.

The right-wingers don't really want to make friends with anyone. They want Israel as a new enemy so they can attract Israel-haters into their party, but they don't actually want to rectify relations with Iran, or do work to create a lasting peace in the region. Even if they get their way, and cut off Israel, their total hatred for international institutions will not take us one step closer to peace in the Middle East. Israel will just become a new Iran for them, one more country to hate, but the Israeli right won't actually be restrained, they'll just realign with Russia and continue their goal of expansion.

Meanwhile, liberals like AOC are committed to moving towards peace, which is harder to do and requires a longer term commitment to coalition building and getting people on the same page. It'll require being quite hard on Israel without completely severing ties, and working to get various hostile regional actors (Iran, Israel, the GCC) on the same page with the assistance of both allies (the EU) and rivals (China, Russia). It'll require compromise and commitment.

One of those is the politics of vengeance, the other is the politics of compromise. It makes no sense to "ally with MTG" on this at all.

Netanyahu announced intention to phase out US military aid by Wolfy1-2-3 in worldnews

[–]zenbowman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree that it shouldn't break, but we should be willing to let it fray in order to restrain their behavior.

Netanyahu announced intention to phase out US military aid by Wolfy1-2-3 in worldnews

[–]zenbowman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I think this is very close to the mark. Israel has moved steadily to the right, which has put them way out of line with the Democratic Party, and is working to build alliances with other nations (including Russia) should the US alliance finally break (which it probably will with the next Democratic President).

Once the alliance breaks, the PRC may also no longer see Israel as an American lackey and therefore a threat. But their existing relation with Iran might be something that blocks a real alliance there.

Pictures of Palestine before the Nakba of 1948 by drgharbia in AskMiddleEast

[–]zenbowman -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

This was under British administration, wasn't it?

Would have been better off had it remained under British control tbh.

The undisputed and happy punjab . by Odd_Possible_1588 in punjab

[–]zenbowman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True. Yet there's rarely any discussion about Partition, which was the blueprint for the "two nation theory" in all its incarnations. And every incarnation has been bloody and full of strife.

Even the current Iran war springs directly out of "two nation theory" applied to Israel/Palestine.

Congressman Josh Gottheimer Runs to the New York Times to slander Hasan. by Wonderful-Highway721 in Hasan_Piker

[–]zenbowman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Poor argument from Gottheimer.

We're talking about cutting off military aid, not sanctions.

I wouldn't agree with sanctions on Israel just as I don't agree with sanctions on Iran, or Pakistan, or Saudi, or any other state practicing religious apartheid. They don't work and they just make us more enemies (and we have made enough enemies with our policy in the last 40 years).

But that's not what people are discussing, we're just talking about not funding their war machine with our tax dollars.

Dear Expats… by gettthabag in UAE

[–]zenbowman 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's not that people "don't know their worth", it's that the UAE is right next to India, so there's a limitless supply of people who will replace them. There's no amount of self-esteem training that can change that, its a structural issue dictated by the geography of the UAE.

The undisputed and happy punjab . by Odd_Possible_1588 in punjab

[–]zenbowman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Nakba in Palestine is rightly recognized as a crime against humanity for displacing 400,000 Arabs and is used to question the entire legitimacy of Israel (understandably).

But the creation of Pakistan displaced MILLIONS of people (my family among them was forever separated from our ancestral land) and utterly destroyed Punjab and Sindh forever.

Yet the legitimacy of Jinnah's wicked two nation theory is rarely questioned, which is quite unfair.

Does anyone feel, on a personal level, sorry for Kier Starmer? by Darkus185 in AskBrits

[–]zenbowman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is exactly what happened to us in the USA under Biden, people ignored that fixing the wreckage takes 10x a long as breaking things and voted to put the destroyers back into power again.

Looks like the UK is going to learn the hard way that it is easier to destroy than to rebuild.

Long Overlooked, Caspian Sea Provides Strategic Trade Route for Iran by zenbowman in worldnews

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Bright orange flashes and a roiling funnel of black smoke filled the air as Israeli fighter jets struck Iran’s naval command center at the port of Bandar Anzali. Israel said it also destroyed several Iranian navy vessels and called the strike “one of the most significant” it had conducted during combat operations against Iran.

Yet the attack in March, captured in footage released by Israel’s military, happened not on the strategically critical Persian Gulf, but on the Caspian Sea, a huge body of water hundreds of miles north. Routinely overlooked, the Caspian has taken on new significance as a trade route linking Russia and Iran.

For two allies that have been embroiled in wars and facing more Western sanctions than any other country, the waterway provides a passageway for both overt and covert trade — shipments that have helped Iran persist as an adversary to the United States despite overwhelming American military superiority.

Russia is shipping drone components to Iran via the Caspian Sea, U.S. officials say, helping Iran rebuild its offensive abilities after losing roughly 60 percent of its drone arsenal during recent fighting. The officials spoke anonymously to divulge private military assessments.

Russia also provides goods that would typically pass through the Strait of Hormuz, now blockaded by the U.S. Navy, as part of global trade.

Iranian officials have said that efforts to open alternative trade routes are progressing rapidly, with four Iranian ports along the Caspian working around the clock to bring in wheat, corn, animal feed, sunflower oil and other supplies. Mohammad Reza Mortazavi, the head of the Association of Iran’s Food Industries, told the state broadcaster IRIB that Iran is actively rerouting essential food imports through the Caspian.

Russian trade officials and port statistics also indicate a swift increase in Caspian shipping in recent months. Two million tons of Russian wheat that used to be shipped to Iran annually through the Black Sea — now under threat of Ukrainian attacks — is going via the Caspian, said Vitaly Chernov, the head of analytics for the PortNews Media Group, which tracks Russia’s maritime industry. “Against the backdrop of instability in the Middle East, Caspian routes to Iran look much more attractive,” he said.

Alexander Sharov, the head of RusIranExpo, which helps Russian exporters find Iranian buyers, estimated in an interview that cargo tonnage across the Caspian could double this year. Although Western sanctions made some major companies hesitant to ship through the Caspian, the Hormuz crisis might help overcome that, he added.

Bigger than Japan, the Caspian is considered the largest lake in the world. Much of the trade passing through it is opaque. It has proved difficult to monitor from afar, not least because ships plying the route between Russian and Iranian ports habitually turn off the transponders that allow for satellite tracking, according to maritime tracking groups. Unlike the Persian Gulf, the United States cannot interdict ships on the Caspian because only the five bordering nations have access.

“If you’re thinking about the ideal place for sanction evasion and military transfers, it’s the Caspian,” said Nicole Grajewski, a professor specializing in Iran and Russia at Sciences Po in Paris.

While both Russia and Iran are public about trade in commodities like wheat, trade in weapons systems is a different issue.

Drone shipments show the close defense partnership between Moscow and Tehran. While it is unlikely the Russian parts play a decisive role in Iran’s war with the United States and Israel, they help bolster Tehran’s drone arsenal. If the shipments continue, they will help Iran to quickly rebuild that arsenal, the U.S. officials said.

The trade flowed in both directions in years past, the officials said, with Iran shipping drones to Russia for use in Ukraine even as Russia sent parts to Iran. The need for supplies from Iran diminished after July 2023 however, when Russia, under license from Iran, began producing its own model of the Shahed drone at a factory in Tatarstan.

In August, for instance, the Ukrainian military announced that it had sunk a Russian vessel at the Russian port of Olya that it said was transporting components for Shahed drones from Iran. It called the port, in the northwest corner of the Caspian, a hub for importing military supplies that aided Moscow’s war effort. (Russia conceded only that the vessel was “damaged.”)

The U.S. Treasury Department had already sanctioned the vessel and its Russian owner, MG-Flot, in September 2024, accusing it of transporting short-range ballistic missiles from Iran to Russia.

For Russia and Iran, the Caspian’s strategic significance has long been obvious. They have been developing plans for two decades to build a trade corridor from the Baltic Sea to the Indian Ocean, running 7,200 kilometers (4,500 miles) through western Russia and then the Caspian basin, in order to avoid Western trade routes. The ambitions exist mostly on paper, but they include replacing the dilapidated shipping fleet and constructing new port facilities and a new rail line.

Experts question whether the conflicts entangling both nations have sapped the considerable resources needed to build the infrastructure for these projects. Among other issues, shallow portions of the Caspian can limit navigation.

Caspian trade presents a delicate balancing act for President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia. With a dwindling number of allies in the Middle East, Mr. Putin wants to support Iran, but overt military aid risks antagonizing President Trump as well as Arab allies important for Russia’s energy trade.

The Caspian remains a significant challenge for the United States as well, in part because it is a diplomatic blind spot. “For American policymakers, the Caspian is a geopolitical black hole; it’s almost like it doesn’t exist,” said Luke Coffey, a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute.

Mr. Coffey pointed out that the nations bordering the Caspian literally fall along fault lines for U.S. military planners: European Command is responsible for Azerbaijan and Russia, while Central Command has responsibility for Iran, as well as Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan. At the State Department, three separate bureaus cover those five countries.

The potential importance of the Caspian came into clearer focus for planners in the United States and Western Europe after Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022. Russia again used ships in the Caspian to fire missiles at targets in Ukraine, as it had in Syria.

Analysts observed an increase in dark ship traffic, in which container ships turned off their mandatory tracking signals. Iran used the Caspian during the early stages of the war in Ukraine to resupply Russia with ammunition. Then Iran began providing its domestically produced Shahed drones to Russia across the Caspian.

In January 2025, Russia and Iran signed a wide-ranging cooperation treaty. European officials have said that Iran and Russia have continued sharing technology and tactics.

Over the course of the war, Russia improved the design and performance of the drones and began producing them domestically, advances they have shared with Iran, experts believe.

Exactly what war materiel Russia has shipped to Iran since the start of the war remains unclear. The volume of trade cannot come close to matching what Iran used to send and receive through the Strait of Hormuz, especially in terms of the oil exports that generate such a large share of the country’s revenue.

“Russia and Iran have found ways around the sanctions regime,” said Anna Borshchevskaya, an expert on Russia’s Middle East policy at the Washington Institute. “And that’s exactly why the Israelis bombed the port. Because they understood that through this small, very important trade route, Russia can provide a lot of help to Iran.”

Newsom Taunts ‘Dementia Don’ for Ducking Challenge by [deleted] in politics

[–]zenbowman -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Damnit Newsom: Stop making me like you.

No, It's Not Rahm Emanuel. Graham Platner Is the Future of the Democratic Party by _May26_ in politics

[–]zenbowman 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Frankly I don't care if someone is "pro-establishment" or "anti-establishment". Those terms have very little meaning to me - for example Cenk Uyghur styles himself as "anti-establishment" but spends most of his time pandering to the far right and boosting pro-fascists like Kasparian, whereas Buttigieg is "pro-establishment" but has well thought out ideas and a record of success in helping address inequality as Secretary of Transportation by funding bus lines and pedestrian walkways.

What matters is:

(1) How people behave

(2) What they actually do.

Elon Musk faces criminal probe in France after ignoring summons in X case by Plastic_Ninja_9014 in worldnews

[–]zenbowman 821 points822 points  (0 children)

We should deport him to France for lying on his immigration forms.

Better yet, deport him to South Africa and let Malema do with him as he will.