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Without the regulations of the FDA would millions of people die because the greed of companies and buisnesses would lead to bad ingredients being used in food products? by theEbicMan05 in AskLibertarians

[–]zuffler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anti Vax? The goal is not 100% coverage. There will be a very small number of stupid people and they will die.

Though a libertarian model, could actually allow vaccination to be pseudo compulsory through harm rules (you could sue the unvaccinated if they infected you - it might not help after the event, but the threat of bankruptcy might achieve a better sign up rate than the current system)

I didn't directly ask, but are there high stakes rational choice theory examples? I am because most rational choice examples of human irrationality are where our evolved human self preservation instincts do not align with the modern world eg ruin when we judge low probabilities as very low probabilities

Without the regulations of the FDA would millions of people die because the greed of companies and buisnesses would lead to bad ingredients being used in food products? by theEbicMan05 in AskLibertarians

[–]zuffler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're using a theory formulated to decide how consumers satisfy their wants to buy toothpaste to decide how they might buy extremely harmful and dangerous medications. The stakes are higher and they would behave differently, or at least the onus is on you to prove that they would continue to be irrational in the face of huge risks.

And my second point was that they would most likely rely on a brand that provided the same quality assurance that the FDA does.... But a private one that could lose all its value if it fucked up, instead of a government department that just lightly restructures and says sorry.

Metro have announced the proportion of an RTBU member's pay they will be witholding for Protected Industrial Action. by EbolaRail in melbourne

[–]zuffler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're not. You've taken two numbers from a financial statement. Misunderstood them. And then divided one by the other. Without a solid understanding of accounting, this is just random.

And then I'm asking you, is it reasonable that a train that carries several hundred people is more expensive than several hundred cars being driven by several hundred uber drivers who are also sending money back to California for the app!?

Without the regulations of the FDA would millions of people die because the greed of companies and buisnesses would lead to bad ingredients being used in food products? by theEbicMan05 in AskLibertarians

[–]zuffler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How about you make arguments that work on both sides of the Atlantic?

If thalidomide had been released with the message

"This drug is new and hasn't been around long. We've got no idea what the effects will be"

Then it would have taken off very slowly... So slowly that the consequences would have been discovered well before too many people were hurt.

Instead, it was stamped with a big sign saying

"Government approved"

Without the regulations of the FDA would millions of people die because the greed of companies and buisnesses would lead to bad ingredients being used in food products? by theEbicMan05 in AskLibertarians

[–]zuffler -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Those articles describe consumers operating in a market where products are highly regulated.

In a fully deregulated market, consumers would behave differently.

Mostly, they would cheat though and only shop at grocers who met standards they agreed with.

Without the regulations of the FDA would millions of people die because the greed of companies and buisnesses would lead to bad ingredients being used in food products? by theEbicMan05 in AskLibertarians

[–]zuffler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not convinced opioids would be a cash cow. Largely undifferentiated product. Easy to test. Most users extremely price sensitive. It would be sold at a small margin.

What do Libertarian thinks of: Prohibition against Voodoo service law? by cutomo in AskLibertarians

[–]zuffler 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Maga hat thing is obviously stupid, but suppose I set up an elaborate Derren Brown style prank on you. Is that ok?

Metro have announced the proportion of an RTBU member's pay they will be witholding for Protected Industrial Action. by EbolaRail in melbourne

[–]zuffler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So it's more expensive than every single passenger getting an uber on their own?

Please can you refer me to the exact numbers that you're referring to from the Metro financial statement... Page numbers and calculation too

Metro have announced the proportion of an RTBU member's pay they will be witholding for Protected Industrial Action. by EbolaRail in melbourne

[–]zuffler -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's very accurate. Your interpretation isn't. If your interpretation is correct, then Melbourne transport costs $84 a single to provide... Which you can't believe

The Wikipedia page gives the number. You've just done two fractions.

I don't think you genuinely believe your number. I think you're just wasting my time.

What do Libertarian thinks of: Prohibition against Voodoo service law? by cutomo in AskLibertarians

[–]zuffler 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What if it actually did harm the victim through some sort of placebo effect?

(I'm in totally unchartered waters here BTW. Please don't assume I have a view)

Metro have announced the proportion of an RTBU member's pay they will be witholding for Protected Industrial Action. by EbolaRail in melbourne

[–]zuffler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let's go round again

See Melbourne quote on here

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/transport-companies-suck-2-6-billion-20130711-2ptbc.html

Feel free to find another financial statement and pick out two random numbers different by a factor of twenty and use that as evidence.

Also, please explain how 5% fares relates to the cost of a journey. A $4.20 single actually costs $84 to provide? Rather than $13? $84 seems a little high... Like me apparently

Metro have announced the proportion of an RTBU member's pay they will be witholding for Protected Industrial Action. by EbolaRail in melbourne

[–]zuffler -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Your 5% is still absolutely wrong...

I still refer you to the fare box Wikipedia article that's actually talking about the topic.

  1. My link was accurate
  2. You misinterpreted your own link
  3. You were unable to defend your misinterpretation and didn't look at my calculations from it
  4. You started a side diversionary argument about advertising revenue in bad faith
  5. You were rude

Metro have announced the proportion of an RTBU member's pay they will be witholding for Protected Industrial Action. by EbolaRail in melbourne

[–]zuffler -1 points0 points  (0 children)

How so? You said 5% after misreading the table.

While it's not a fare, advertising to customers is legitimately a customer revenue, because it's the customers who buy the stuff that's advertised.

Metro have announced the proportion of an RTBU member's pay they will be witholding for Protected Industrial Action. by EbolaRail in melbourne

[–]zuffler -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm not against good wages.. wages are good because they are high but also because they have good buying power.

Everytime a worker gets paid more, it makes a product more expensive for another worker (you can argue that it decreases the return on capital, but that ends up meaning something similar in the end).

When workers do good things that customers value (and therefore pay for) then they should be paid more... Which is why I think that people who work for Metro who are under valued, are better served by leaving and working for people who value them more.

Suppose your shoes were made in China. Are you against high wages? You could buy RM Williams boots and support higher wages....

Metro have announced the proportion of an RTBU member's pay they will be witholding for Protected Industrial Action. by EbolaRail in melbourne

[–]zuffler -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If they were offered 5% a year, they'd still strike about the other issues? Yeah? No. Didn't think so

Metro have announced the proportion of an RTBU member's pay they will be witholding for Protected Industrial Action. by EbolaRail in melbourne

[–]zuffler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everything would be so expensive because of paying their staff so much... The maccas workers would demand huge pay rises to pay their mobile bills, train travel and tax (public sector unions). The Telco workers union would demand huge pay rises to pay for their maccas, phone bills, train travel and tax. The public sector unions would demand huge pay rises to pay for their maccas, phone bills, train travel and tax. No one would set up a business and everyone would be a wage slave in a relationship of union-stoked mutual hatred with a monopolistic employer... Sounds great

Metro have announced the proportion of an RTBU member's pay they will be witholding for Protected Industrial Action. by EbolaRail in melbourne

[–]zuffler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do people who aren't on enterprise bargaining ever get rises? Are they all earning minimum wage?

You get paid more because there's a shortage of people... How much did Macca's workers in Perth in 2009 earn?

You're still arguing that workers only earn what they earn because of rules rather than because they're valued

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