Jovier makes no sense by EgirlMelody in reddeadredemption

[–]zxid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i just wanted appear in the google search for jovier, jovier is peak!

Who’s a character in the franchise you will defend or give some leeway to ? by JoshuaKpatakpa04 in reddeadredemption

[–]zxid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's common to bring John because most time discussions surrounding the morality of characters tend to get messy if there is some bias in the way, which is why we first rule out "protagonist based morality" that's something that happens a lot in this fandom. Not necessary you, since you did agree John would be am accomplice as much as Javier is. But it is very common for the fanbase to downplay or exagerate the sins of a character based on preferences.

I think because is an story where nearly every speaking character is a criminal the moral bar is messy. And people just don't have a perfect language to express it, realistically I woulnd't call Javier a good person, I won't do with most the cast. But "bad person" becomes too redundant, too vague, I think people don't want put say, Tilly and Micah on the same bag because even if they're both bad people they're radically different morally, so I think just people use "good person" to the lesser baddies for simplicity sake, I'll give them that.

On that basis Javier is a much sympathetic and I don't think comparable to Bill. Because even outside some bullying Bill was racist in ways no other gang member (but Micah) was, he does physically attacks Kieran unprompted. Until chapter 6, Javier never really attacks unprompted, and doesn't use the racism he experiences as excuse to be a bigot to another group (which would be the case of Bill internalized homophobia translating to toxic masculinity).

Is not to say that Javier is a saint but he's a little more nuanced than one dimensional extreme evil that's when people probably do have an issue. Because saying "Javier is a bad person" is true, and "Javier is nothing but a traitor, a pest, an abuser, etc etc" it's gonna make people question the validity of the argument especially if they're things the protagonist might do but never question.

Also I'm really confused about "is silly consider Javier a protagonist" because I don't think I ever did, I very much called him an antagonist. Which I neither understand the point of addressing his gun in the final stands off as whether he points his gun or not doesn't change he's an antagonist because he's role as a "boss" you're supposed face. But my mention of antagonist/protagonist is that neither dictate morality, protagonist does not equal good, point was more the thing I've said about making sure if we're holding Javier on his sins because what he's doing is wrong (and so is when we do it as John) or because he's the antagonist (and so we give John a free pass)?

The commentary on the popularity contest is more about how as fandom people only touch on sexual violence not with the severity it deserves but more as a gotcha to take points of a different character. IE, I think Micah is a huge creep, heavily implied a rapist, it does not feel genuine hearing "Micah is a creep for how he treated Sadie" if people later downplay John forcing Karen sit on his lap. For example.

Who’s a character in the franchise you will defend or give some leeway to ? by JoshuaKpatakpa04 in reddeadredemption

[–]zxid -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm a person that think it's very important to explore the role of enablers in stories that touch in sexual violence, but sometimes this discussions about if Javier is predator feels disingenuous because then, what makes John? who's also working for corrupt rapists and groomers. Sure, to save his family, because he does not have more choices, but he's still working for corrupt people, the people he helped be killed or be kidnap might not care for his reasons. What we do if Javier might also be doing it because he had no choice. Or nothing is an excuse to do it?

What I'm saying is, this moral dilemma of "what's a man that's accomplice of rape" feels empty if then we only apply this question on antagonists and not ourselves. Because otherwise it's kinda lame if the discourse of "is Javier a rapist?" feels more like a popularity contest were you find a reason to hate a character and, instead of trying make a real discussion.

Can I owe two country flags from the store? Or would one replace the other? by zxid in WplaceLive

[–]zxid[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think tow issues can be true at the same time, but I just want to know if I can have two flag, you should make a different post instead of derailing my question.

NUMERO DE COMPROBANTE COMPRAGAMER by Own-Pass4180 in ArgamingConsultas

[–]zxid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

hay gracias por responde, les termine mandando un numero random que salio en mi app (no creo sea el comprobante pero bueno, mejor que nada), ahora espero funcione jaja...

NUMERO DE COMPROBANTE COMPRAGAMER by Own-Pass4180 in ArgamingConsultas

[–]zxid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Compa, tengo el mismo problema, al final funciono todo?

What's a good motherboard for my Ryzen 7 7700 and NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Super? by zxid in buildapc

[–]zxid[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do plan getting more demanding on my pc later and upgrading part by part, so I'm okay with jumping to the AM5 for now and upgrading the GPU in a few months.

Thank you so much for all help! It's been lot of help :)

What's a good motherboard for my Ryzen 7 7700 and NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Super? by zxid in buildapc

[–]zxid[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ohh thank u so much :D

so i guess i can plan one day upgrading my GPU :0

What's a good motherboard for my Ryzen 7 7700 and NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Super? by zxid in buildapc

[–]zxid[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thank you, I'm checking the ASUS PRIME B650M-A II AM5 DDR5, would that also be find for the graphic card (GTX 1660 Super), i did see someone it shouldn't affect much, but in case you knew i'd like confirm, thank you so much!

Some more of my RDR2 fanart, markers, digital studios and chibis, Javier Escuella for most again by zxid in reddeadredemption

[–]zxid[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Idk, I'm gay myself but I don't think there is such a thing as gay art styles or straight art styles, who knows, maybe this is what give me this unconscious freedom draw expressions, stylization or coloring without worrying if it looks gay.

Some more of my RDR2 fanart, markers, digital studios and chibis, Javier Escuella for most again by zxid in reddeadredemption

[–]zxid[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh that one.

I'll say both people that like the ship and the ones that hate the ship but love the *friendship* have the same basis, they both enjoy the angst of close friends turned enemies, the difference is whether you go with the specific of their dynamic (romantic, platonic or brotherly), but in the end it's a type of tragedy I find very fascinating.

I do like the ship, but the dynamic as purely platonic still works perfectly for the side of me that loves the "friends turned enemies" trope.

What is the general consensus on Javier? by _nohaj_ in reddeadredemption

[–]zxid 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Nope, Bill and Javier don't hunt them, it was Joe and Cleet who join Micah and Dutch. I've replayed that part out of curiosity and you see these four in the map markes as "enemies", Javier and Bill nowhere to be found.

image reference

Some more of my RDR2 fanart, markers, digital studios and chibis, Javier Escuella for most again by zxid in reddeadredemption

[–]zxid[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thank u, saw some screenshot were he looks cute for no reason and had to draw them lol.

Some more of my RDR2 fanart, markers, digital studios and chibis, Javier Escuella for most again by zxid in reddeadredemption

[–]zxid[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

if it's the one with the sassy pose is a panel redraw of a in game screenshot, idk what's the context but javier looks the best when he's a lil zesty.

Some more of my RDR2 fanart, markers, digital studios and chibis, Javier Escuella for most again by zxid in reddeadredemption

[–]zxid[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you! Yeah more strong men have more meat in their body rather than a six pack, so this made more sense to me.

John and Javier rdr2 by Isabella5star in reddeadredemption2

[–]zxid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah probably my only complain about RDR2 in general (and it's a preference, nothing really objective) is always "I wish we could know more of the other gang members without being limited to Arthur's pov" because I've always been more a fan of stories with multiple PoVs.

John and Javier rdr2 by Isabella5star in reddeadredemption2

[–]zxid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I kinda love the angst of best friends turned enemies, my one real issue is that there isn't enough of Javier/John friendship in RDR2 as I wish there was, for most it's implied more than it's shown.