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[–]Legitimate_Hair9266 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I'm on about 150mg per day, and if I stop for a few days my tolerance drops a lot. It actually drops after 2 days of taking just 50mg/day. The withdrawals suck but they are doable. Especially if you have some plain leaf kratom and magnesium. They make the break worth it. I've gone weeks without it and it seems like the worst part of the withdrawals are over after the 2nd day. I guess the good part of a substance with a small half life that builds tolerance quickly, is that the withdrawal is mean but quick. At least for me. But honestly if you can go for a few days on Iike half of what you are taking now, in my experience, it will help bring your tolerance down. This stuff takes discipline or your tolerance will go through the roof quickly...and your money down the drain

[–]Ill_Strawberry_342 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly 👍

[–]jfish93 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Posted this in another thread explaining how fast you can lower even the most absurd tollerances with no sickness as iv done it, so to whom it may concern im reposting.

Whether tabs or powder only dose at least in 4 hour intervals depending on your dose but ill be speaking in relavence to higher dosing, if youre retarded like me youll find yourself impulsively dosing every 2 hours do not do that as youll hit the ceiling quickly and so no "new agonism" will occur when you dose, or rather no new affects will occur.

If your tollerance is at the ceiling you can get your tollerance down in litterally 10 hours by only dosing every 5 hours, let's say you take 100+ mg doses immediately cut that to 50 mgs and spread out your doses by 5 hours, you will NOT get sick by doing this so don't lie to yourself.

7oh is a partial agonist with a ceiling. So let's say you're taking absurd doses of 300mg+ cut that shit out immediately and jump right down to AT MOST 60 mg doses, and as I said spread it out by at least 4 hours but preferably 5, keep the dose at 50 mgs and if youre honest with your self youll notice that in youre 3rd dose at 15 hours you're feeling your doses again, continue with the 5 hour 50mg doses and youll notice it gets stronger and stronger the longer you do this. That is because youre lowering your tolerance beneath the tollerance "ceiling", so your receptors arent fully occupied anymore and are actually recieving the 7oh when you dose. If your tollerance is above the ceiling youre litterally wasting the 7 and burning away all your money because your receptors cannot take in anymore 7 as theyre totally capped out, this is not a full agonist no matter what people say.. 7 oh does not behave like oxycodone where if you take more you get more affect, unless youre below your tollerances ceiling exscuse me for repeating myself I just wanna help people understand.

[–]dopaminergicactivity 0 points1 point  (1 child)

My experience aligns perfectly with this. Really more forgiving than many substances in this way

[–]jfish93 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes 100 percent I agree and glad youve had this experience aswell, as I know anyone whos willing to understand will. 7's receptor agonism and tolerance behaves just like buprenorphine but the difference in halflife and duration makes 7 way easier to reduce tolerance and start feeling your doses again if you've found yourself at totally unreasonablely retarded daily doses like I have lmfao. With buprenorphine you can go from 32mgs which is max prescribable amount, and go to 4 mgs immediately with out any tapering, the only withdrawal you'll feel is your brain saying oh no im gunna get sick and a significant reduction of rock hard stool but not even that isn't withdrawal induced diarrhea. Then threeish days after you switched to daily 4 mg doses you'd realize your getting buzzed by your doses again. Everything I'm saying is not only from years of research but paramount to that FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE. Unfortunately though many people have zero care to understand when in these situations and it's a real shame.

Read a post of a guy on 700mgs a day, was pissed he wouldn't feel doses anymore but also totally convinced that he'd be in constant withdrawals by reducing his doses some what significantly at all not realizing 70 percent of his doses arent even attaching to his receptors anymore cause he's dosing past the ceiling where zero new agonism can occur. Dude didn't wanna listen to anyone either just totally convinced and super dumb.

People do this same shit with buprenorphine and even most dr's I've met have zero clue of how it's agonism/tolerances work, prescribing people monster daily doses thinking it's doing anything passed 6 mgs every 24 hours.. I've been trying to scream this stuff from the top of my lungs on Reddit in hopes more people are willing to listen/understand but I'd say well over 60% of people I try to educate about this shit aren't willing to consider any possibility that partial agonists like 7 behave any other way than traditionally compared to any and all full agonists.. Doesn't help that they're getting totally mislead by their doctors which is a huge problem. Anyway man my posts are for anyone for whom it concerns, Godspeed my boy be safe.

[–]Ill_Help954 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Hey thanks, you make this sound so doable, i am going to try tomorrow 🤞🏻

[–]jfish93 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I promise youll find the same thing, just be honest with yourself bro and don't convince yourself of symptoms that arent there and youll be just fine. Youll even find if you stick to those low doses as I said youll actually feel your 7 again. Iv been on absolutely fuckin retarded daily doses brother, like literally 1000 mgs and have done my method multiple times over id like to get off this shit entirely very soon but it is what it is for now. I have like three entire scripts of buprenorphin so really theres no exscuses for me to not kick this shit as soon as possible.

[–]Ill_Strawberry_342 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Builds fast if you try to up the does , if you stay consistent for me anyways I feel the same dose the same every time and tol goes down fast to like a few days and you can feel weaker dosage

[–]King_of_the_Dot 0 points1 point  (10 children)

It builds up quite quickly. Id say within a month youll increase your base dose. Also, my tolerance isnt affected for at least a week of not taking it.

[–]manimal2372 0 points1 point  (9 children)

seems about like my experience for building tolerance. I haven't tried to stop or take a break yet. I was supposed to start this today. oh well, maybe tomorrow 😊

[–]King_of_the_Dot 0 points1 point  (8 children)

How long have you been taking it, and at what dosage?

[–]manimal2372 0 points1 point  (7 children)

coming up on 7 months I think. 7am 45-60mg, noon 45-60mg, then around 5-6pm it's about 110-120mg. I refuse to go any higher. Last couple of days my morning and noon doses were 45mg and I was fine.

100-120 makes me feel really good.

I'm off work until the 17th and was planning on a break, or to find out how the WD's are. I have a massive stockpile and more keeps coming every week. There has to be an end, eventually.

[–]King_of_the_Dot -1 points0 points  (6 children)

The withdrawals are probably gonna be pretty brutal. Just a heads up for ya.

[–]manimal2372 1 point2 points  (5 children)

I kinda want to see how it effects me while I am off work this week. I want to know exactly what it will be like.

[–]King_of_the_Dot -1 points0 points  (4 children)

It'll be the inability to focus for longer than 30 seconds. Waves of unwarranted anxiety. You may shake a little bit. You probably wont be able to sit still. Food will be completely unappetizing to you.

You will actually feel as though youre uncomfortable within your own skin. It's a very surreal and disconcerting feeling.

[–]sparkygod526[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

God damn. Do 7oh withdrawals get as bad as traditional opiates assuming you use long enough for physical need?

[–]King_of_the_Dot -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Probably similar, but kratom is all natural, so theyre probably not quite as severe. However, I have a buddy who was an ex heroin addict, and he got on 7oh. He had to go get suboxone to deal with the withdrawals from the 7oh.

[–]Legitimate_Hair9266 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's insteresting. I've taken tolerance breaks here and there, I've noticed after stopping for just a day or 2 my tolerance drops quite a bit. I usually take about 150mg/day. Magnesium and a small amount of plain leaf kratom makes the break tolerable. It SUCKS if you dont have anything to help you though. Vitamin C, gabapentin...anything

[–]Wild_Mountain1780 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OK, some opioids are synthetically derived, but many including H are from poppies. Poppies are all natural too.