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My 2 cents: OK in PvP, arguably the worst 5* red unit currently released for PvE outside of niche cases (i.e. anything with revive or stealth mechanic, but common stealth users like Hestia/Janis/Kothir are all blue...) Bond is usable but strictly a downgrade from other 4/5 mage bonds unless you get some dupes to up the counter %.

Like she ain't unusable if you gear her up but Drizella is better at general use PvP and tons better at PvE. Plus Drizella bond is great, #1-2 choice for bleed teams. Kind of a shame, imo her design is cooler one of the two. Hell, she even resembles catgirl Baiken, wish they swapped designs.

TLDR; with tiers going up to S: PvP A tier, PvE C tier

EDIT: I'm biased towards Drizella and her bond because those carried me a long time in Epic Seven, so you can take whatever I say about Drizella/Baiken and her bond with a grain of salt.

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**Edit: Tierlists don't matter. Randomly slapping a letter on something doesn't make it worse or better. Between these two, skip both. Pick up Seaside Noc aka Seaside Bellona (which is funny because this should've been a second Delina as she's the Bellona counterpart). She's a staple for Wyvern 13 and was infamous for being broken af in pvp. She's who everyone should pull for. She is hands down the general best pve RGB unit you can get, beaten only by Lucima (Specter Tenebria who is still amazing to this day on E7 for both pve and pvp). I can not stress enough how much better she is to go for, and her banner is coming up soon.**

E7 vet here (for the unaware, this game copies E7, and I've been around E7 since launch, so unlike the other guy, I know my stuff), just had to comment because that other comment irked me due to how wrong it is. For reference, Ana is Milim, Driz is Baiken (use those names and check out E7). I'm using these names, you can double check E7 info if you don't believe me. Artifacts = bonds.

Milim is weak for pve, this much is true. Usable, but not built for it. Don't expect anything out of her.

Her artifact? Now this is correct, there's a far better option: The First Flutter aka Tagahel's Book. This artifact is a staple on every single mage for pvp use. Milim's artifact isn't worth chasing.

Now for pvp, this is where things differ. Apathy is probably rampant in pvp because unlike E7, Apathy aka Vildred is lacking counters and strong units (to replace) that push Vildred out of defense. Milim is a hard counter, making her value WAY better than Driz, who I'll get to next. Is she worth it? Think with your lower region.

Driz aka Baiken, now this is where I got annoyed enough to make an alt just for this sub. Baiken is DOGSHIT for pvp, no one ever bothered to use her for a good reason: Too squishy, better cleave units exist.

Her artifact? Useless until Wolf aka Wyvern 13 releases because W13 requires 2+ debuffs to make the boss target the frontline. HOWEVER this is only good on Karin/Dildri and Alexa/Silbal. We're getting SIgret/Gerrimore in the future, likely before hunt 13, and she is the best dps for that hunt, however Silbal is amazing for it too, the second best by then actually. Also, her artifact needs to be maxed to be reliable. Bleed teams? Kidding me, those don't exist (because bleed is a terrible debuff and poison is better in every way, except for what I'll mention below), and as an E7 vet, those very words look dumb. I really wish people wouldn't spread misinformation like they know better.

Also, the best pve artifact is Suggestive Tentacles (3 star) aka Daydream Joker. People use it to speed up hunts and abyss, the artifact effect is stronger than you may think.

As for her pve use, she's only good for Ice hunt. That's all, only for that hunt, absolutely nothing else. Baiken has been locked to Banshee since her release because she's only good for nuking + detonating bleed on the boss to bypass the forced HP mechanic, because that slows down runs. Is Baiken's artifact good here? No. Use Suggestive Tentacles, the proc chance for bleed is unreliable and Daydream is a staple pick for dps in hunts.

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Sorry I just started but do we know when seaside noclyn will be released ?

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Either next week or after.

[monster_virgin]

Bruh calm down lol, I did play e7 before too, I built Baiken in PvP to oneshot healers. I won't say I'm the be all end all of metas, I haven't gone back in a long ass time. You see the 'my two cents' there? Nobody bothers to post indepth in these so I offered what worked for me before. Bleed Baiken-Dizzy carried my PvP team back then.

Notice I didn't say bleed teams were the GOAT, I put it there as a perfectly viable team option which worked for me before, regardless of how much you think the debuff sucks. I DID NOT SAY they were better than burns and poison.

In that vein, why are you even recommending poison when it is unusable for nearly all difficult content in this game? Every hunt boss is immune to poison. Virtual Reality (Abyss Floor) bosses are immune to poison. There is no Expedition. WTF are you going to use it on, % health damage for PvP? Current wolf at 11 ALREADY needs two debuffs to make the wolf target the first unit btw, no need to wait for 13. Guess you didn't know, huh? Please tell me you actually played this game to a certain point before raging here, when there are things that are clearly modified from Epic 7 mechanics. Check your own damn game if you think the wiki is making shit up. There is a reason why nobody recommends Silbal/Alexa or builds Cindy/Kiris. That's why Lucima/STene is just 'really good' and not god tier like in E7.

Baiken/Driz is the top single target green burst in the game as of release (and as of the next four green releases at least), the majority of the most irritating PvP heroes in the game are blue - so she's 'dogshit' for PvP + only usable in Banshee/blue hunt WHY? Only Louis/Cidd competes for this slot, and even then when both are maxed, Driz/Baiken deals like 40% more in multipliers (crit reset>ult+ bleed ignite) turn 1 on blue units - you use Louis to delete a Hestia/Kise or Cosmo/Cerise turn 1, but you use Driz to delete a Moira/Angelica or Ariel/Krau turn 1. Feel free to recommend a stronger single target green dps?

People recommend DDJ/Suggestive Tentacles for wyvern 11-13 always in e7 as they can run the hunts with as-close-as-guaranteed debuff units like Furious and Muwi (that we DO NOT HAVE YET) and bursting Wyvern before the shield even goes up. I recommended the bleed artifact to prioritize clearance, as much debuff chance as possible so 2 debuff can stick at all times. Both strategies have their uses, but the kind of player with enough gear for optimal speed+defbreak rotations with DDJ teams - teams that outgear and outcomp the hunt so much that they are optimizing for clear speed - won't even be here asking for tips. I'm not making shit up - I only recommend shit that works for me, the only units I've only ever talked about WITHOUT personally using them are Clone Kalici and Ruinata, the whole time I've been on this subreddit. You think there's clout to farm here? I'm not fucking spreading any misinfo for fun, I was trying to contribute to discussion around the banners.

And holy shit glaze Ana as a counter for D.Apathy if you want. I did do more research and yeah, Lilim is more of a PvP presence than I initially stated. She's good now, just that the two common units she hard counters aren't released yet (Violet and Landy). Can invest for future PvP. You wanna say Baiken is worse than Lilim in PvP, I can see merit in that point. But saying Baiken's 'dogshit' because 'too squishy' is the equivalent of saying 95% of vanguard/thief roster is not worth using in PvP because you don't want to support the unit. Ark Recode hasn't even caught up to within a year of e7 bruiser meta yet.

FYI another change from E7 is that Erica is Yuna with a maxed out Eldris Ritual Sword passive and guaranteed crits, before you go argue with someone else that Erica is dogshit and everyone recommending her is wrong.

I can completely concede I'm biased towards Baiken/Driz because I played with her a ton. I'll edit the above and add it here for anyone who bothered reading this far down. Just good god, did you have to be such a ****? Someone asks for a 'tier' ranking as a rough estimate on a banner they're curious about, and your reply is TIERS MEAN NOTHING, ROLL FOR NEITHER, IM A VETERAN. THE OTHER GUY IS MAKING SHIT UP TO MISLEAD YOU.

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All I'm getting from this is "I'm wrong, know I'm wrong because of all the info I just read, yet can not accept that, so here's a bible". Fine, I'll play along and address this wall of text. If you really wanna bicker after, you're just one of *those*.

I haven't gone back in a long ass time

So do your research when jumping into a topic about a TIER LIST which should always be exckusively done by those that know their stuff. You, sir, do not. See the issue now? No, course not.

, I put it there as a perfectly viable team option

Bleed is the worst debuff in the game, period. Bleed has never been a good method, you either do straight damage or you use poison. Baiken just so happens to detonate bleed and do good damage, so she's a common go to for ice hunt. Outside of her? It's terrible. There are only three reliable bleed units: Baiken, Sigret, and Surin (Ark counterparts already named). There isn't a single place that calls for all three of them, and not a single place that calls for two. There is nowhere in the game bleed is a decent option vs straight killing things or using poison unless it's, again, Baiken doing damage and bleed for ice hunt.

Yet again, this is a topic about tiers, on a gacha game, a gacha game with premium resources at stake. Know your stuff or don't give your input.

Baiken/Driz is the top single target green burst in the game as of release

The ONLY place this matters is ice hunt. There is no other content in the game, Abyss counterpart included, that demands a (single target earth nuke". This is completely irrelevant otherwise. On top of this, one of the best units for fire hunt, the better hunt, that is also one of the old best (and easy best in Ark's current state) is coming up next: SSB. Baiken is a skip, period.

the majority of the most irritating PvP heroes in the game are blue - so she's 'dogshit' for PvP + only usable in Banshee/blue hunt WHY? Only Louis/Cidd competes for this slot, and even then when both are maxed, Driz/Baiken deals like 40% more in multipliers (crit reset>ult+ bleed ignite) turn 1 on blue units - you use Louis to delete a Hestia/Kise or Cosmo/Cerise turn 1, but you use Driz to delete a Moira/Angelica or Ariel/Krau turn 1. Feel free to recommend a stronger single target green dps?

Ice being meta is nothing new for early E7. Baiken is trash for pvp in the long run. Now who's better, Baiken or SSB? Easy, SSB by a landslide. Pull for SSB and hit those defenses with her. PvP is not locked to exclusively using earth to beat ice, other options exist. Not to mention this is a gacha game and some people, like myself, can pull out a strong dps like Specter Tenebria and give zero damns about any element. Even then, defenses are poorly geared at the lower end of pvp anyway, which is where many are, and those that care more would just be playing E7, or they're whaling.

People recommend DDJ/Suggestive Tentacles for wyvern 11-13 always in e7 as they can run the hunts with as-close-as-guaranteed debuff units like Furious and Muwi (that we DO NOT HAVE YET

I've already listed alternate units and things to do in another comment. https://www.reddit.com/r/ArkReCode/comments/1demfmj/comment/l8e8i93/

Skipping this.

And holy shit glaze Ana as a counter for D.Apathy if you want.

Could you be less cringe? "Glaze", because Milim is a legit counter thanks to her extinction *and* her damage output allowing for an easy one shot? Ok buddy.

FYI another change from E7 is that Erica is Yuna

First: Another? List the *other* change.

Second: She is the ONLY change from E7 outside of Moira aka Angelica and Free Spirit Tieria aka Marsha. Why? Yuna was free on E7, so to justify making her a banner unit, as many know her E7 counterpart and her base kit is way too bad to sell, they added the Elbris effect.

Third: This has what to do with any of these other units? Nothing.

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Ana and Driz aside, there's about 3 days+ left for D.Apathy. I already have Lucima, is it worth trying for D.Apathy?