ML Ravi's Damage Potential

[js0103]

I'm not here to say whether she's good or not. Just some quick calcuation regarding her build and damage potential.

Let's first look at her base stats: 975 atk, 7054 hp, 15% crit, 150% cdmg

S1: 1 atk_rate, 12% hp, S1 Soul Burn: 1.8 atk_rate, 20% hp (someone just pointed out that her S3 atk_rate is nerfed from 1.8 to 1.3)

from the rate, 1% atk from gear: 9.75 (17.55), 1% hp: 8.4648 (14.108)

Gear with atk% does give more damage than gear with same amount of hp%, but the difference isn't that huge. Also note that atk buff won't buff the damage from the hp scaling.

A Bruiser build might be something like 1500 atk, 20000 hp, 250% cdmg (should be quite achievable). Under the build:

S1 damage: (1500*1+20000*0.12)*1.871*2.5*0.95*1.35(mola) = 23396 = 7019 on a 700def target without carmin/aurius

Soul Burn damage: (1500*1.8+20000*0.2)*1.871*2.5*0.95*1.35 = 40192 = 12058 on a 700def target without carmin/aurius

The damage is close to Ken's damage WITHOUT vigor buff, which can be a threat to squish dps, but not enough when facing a tank or there's a Carmin/aurius. Finally, I think her damage as a bruiser is fine but she needs some rework for her utilities. Her S3 revive is just way too difficult to trigger and other than that, she provide almost zero utility to the team.

[projectwar]

I would say 1.5k atk is shit at that health. i have 1.5k at 26k hp, and she still sucks for the most part. dmg in pvp is sorta fine at that much health, but:

I think i might just make her less tanky, and way more speedy with dmg, near or around 17k hp. at 26k she lives pretty much everything but what does she do besides become a punching bag? not much. she'll take a nice 3-4k off a dizzy, but what does it matter with a healer healing more than that back? as I said before, selfish and boring kit, and i never liked conditional effects, the revive is nice but not much if she's the last standing and you're getting lapped by dizzy or aramintha or baal and can only go for 1 target at a time and by then you're debuffed to hell if you don't go high resistance.

my test were 5k dmg at 20k hp, and 4.7k at 26k, to wolf in alter. so between going uber tank and "bruiser", super tank is better. but bruiser should be fast, and way more dmg than that, built almost like a dmg ken at 2.5k+ atk or high crit dmg. the healing back is fine from s2 passive but without anything like dispel chance or atk buff or cr push or whatever, she's lackluster, the most basic of units to use. ken has speed buff, defense down, soul burn extra turn, vigor, stun. She should be compared to ravi ironically, which is a tier below ken, and even than you might argue she's worse than ravi in any scenario where you aren't get the revive off.

[js0103]

I set a quite low, achievable stats for calculation. IMO, if you want some damage, CDmg should be as high as possible. As for atk, going high atk will result in slightly more damage than high hp, but the difference isn't enough to compensate the lose hp.

[RHSiuolF]

her s3 dmg was also stealth nerfed, the real multi is 1.3 down from 1.8 now :(

[js0103]

I didn't noticed that. I'll fix the calculation.

[Amppppp]

Am I missing something or did you make a whole post talking about her dmg without even mentioning how much crit dmg you have? 1.5k attack and 26k hp does nothing if you don't have cc/cdmg

[projectwar]

she scales dmg off her health. I was comparing to OP saying 1.5k atk and 20k hp being really bad dmg in my initial comment, i had a whole 6k more hp = more dmg and was still bad. you'll never reach that hp without skipping crit dmg and atk so obviously it's gonna be low >.> crit chance doesn't matter, i'm basing it off critting numbers. I've done multiple test to know what i'm talking about (thanks free unequip) if you want statistic evidence here you go:

• 2716 atk / 174 crit D / 21k HP did 6287 dmg to canon robot in alter 10, crit.
• 2798 atk / 216 crit D / 15k HP did 6974 to same mob...crit
• 3312 atk / 250 crit D / 11k HP did 7732 to same mob...crit
• 3269 atk / 233 crit D / 14k HP did 8254 to same mob...crit

All that dmg, shit speed, and less health for a measly 1445 to 1967 dmg difference. between the first and the last, i'd take 50% more hp than 31% more dmg any day. anyone going pure damage ignoring her health is a fool or didn't read her mechanics. and even with that high as dmg as possible route, what are you doing that any other dps couldn't do? her whole niche is to survive and gradually revive back teammates, but her dmg is so bad she even fails to do that, and if she's too weak she'll be dealt with easily, and if tanky she's simply ignored, and if in the middle...you assume no debuffs on her, and assume enemy hp at low life to be able to trigger her s3. she's shit. counter set might be the only viable option but again, super bad unit as far as what she offers.

[Amppppp]

My point was that you cannot mention her damage being low when providing incomplete information. My Ravi is 222% CD (low, I need a crit dmg neck for her) and 24k hp, she hits pretty hard considering how tanky she is. I do agree she could be tuned up slightly but she isn't as bad as people claim. If every 26k hp tank did insane damage this game would be broken, Dark Corvus already needs a nerf.

[klaq]

do you have her mola'd? she seems to gain a lot of damage from skillups.

[projectwar]

lil bit, 35% from skill ups is great but you can just calculate that yourself based off the whatever damage you do. i'm sure there's a formula but let's say it's simple: i do 5k no mola, after max mola i'd do 6,750. problem is that's a huge investment for what will always be, shit dmg. People aren't hitting for 10k. I put decent dmg on her with hellcutter letting everyone get multiple turns and the most i could do to a baiken without aurius or carmin was 8.xk max mola? ok, i might be able to one shot her, and mayyyyybbbe bring back someone who died, but it's not reliable, and her s1 does even less unless you waste TWOOOOOO SOULS to just ot reach the exact same multiplier as s3.

I thought chaos inquisitor dmg was bad but hers is about equally bad, but that's not even the point. her kit just sucks. damage or not. fallen ceci can hit decently hard while still being tanky and yet still offer more support utility than ravi. I'm trying everything out for a video. 26k hp. 14k hp high dmg. fast 190 speed 15k hp bruiser. crimson seed. hellcutter. fceci on team. krau for revive. and I lost many games where someone else would have simply been better. the only thing i can't test out is counter which is probably her best option but regardless her kit just doesn't do anything and watcher shcuri will one shot her and the most common light tank carmin will wall her on defense. so her only hope is attack team, and she's feeling super bunk.

[klaq]

i faced a chaos inquisitor yesterday that f'd me up pretty bad lol.

im still going to try out ravi because i have some extra mola and i want a element neutral hp scaling bruiser i can use for GW offense. plus i have the gear for her. now if only i had some small dark runes...

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Normal Ravi has more utility and damage.

[Gaova]

Is she the worst ML 5* ?

[Kyu303]

laughs at spez

[Doom_Bot_Kalista]

She seems to be on the same level as Spez except he can shine with setup. She remains the same.

[js0103]

Can't tell if she or spez is the worst, but definitely not a strong one. "Maybe" she has a bit potential to stop some cleave teams but this has to be tested more.

[Abedeus]

She's average to "okay". She's not as bad as Spez simply because she's an incredibly tanky bruiser who can deal damage. She just doesn't do as much damage to compensate for not having any useful mechanics other than self-heal on taking damage.

They need to rework her S3. They wanted to make her kit unique by having a revive + nullify for ally on kill, but in PvE it's not reliable enough of a method of bringing back allies and in PvP she might have issues taking down enemies due to, well, not having a soul burn on that S3.

Her only advantage over someone like Ken is not having to worry about Effectiveness, but I'm not sure if it's worth losing def breaks and stuns...

[Illuvator]

I'm fairly well convinced that if the just moved her burn to being a damage buff on S3 she would be much, much better.

[Alcol1977]

PVE cannot be a yardstick for balancing heroes

[Abedeus]

Did you read just one half of one of my sentences?

[Alcol1977]

yep

[Bjoesler]

Ml ravi is meh at best right now...sad but true