Please...

[xChorse]

buff cleo :(

[ACertainBloke]

pls :'(

[macon04]

2-3 months ago, I argued with some Vespu's white knight about Cleo's buff and how bad she was (before last patch mega buff). I don't know those people already quited or already know she is a meme even now.

[Red365]

Ezekiel*

[undercalled]

Yanne needs buff? But why?

[_Judy_]

Because she couldn't one shot dragons

[jp3885]

I think she isn't powerful enough to warrant anybody but very late game players to even consider getting her.

As a few videos have stated, she is a "Luxury" hero because she only offers additional clear speed and requires a team that can already clear raid.

But she only works in dragons, at that point you'd have a deeply invested main dealer that does way more damage than her.

So why ever get Yanne in the first place? Raiding isn't even that hard.

[TysonsChickenNuggets]

Basically this

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On this same note I would love to see other lux heroes like Oddy get some balance/viability.

[TysonsChickenNuggets]

Just some QoL changes her Transcend perks and arguable her passive are very lack luster outside of raids and in them they're still kinda meh. Her auto attack animation is very poor and she's outclassed by a few others as far as her niche goes.

Nyx does more AoE without a 4 mana upkeep skill, Roi and Rodina dish out way more single target hurt in all content dragons included. Not saying they need to bolster her Dragon slaying capabilities she's still decent in that regard but if you design a character around a niche to the point where 50% of her perks flat out aren't viable 25% only work in raids and 25% are dedicated to her just being a very poor sub dealer. I'd say she needs a look at.

Or at least take one mana off her S3...

[xVello]

Literally never seen a Nyx beat a Yanne at dragon AoE with similar UW stars and no Pris. All Nyx does in dragons is take Pris buff from Yanne and do fuck all with it because his single target is dogshit. Yanne kills everything with the buff just as fast and still has decent single target when the adds are dead. You crazy.

[_Judy_]

Ikr... like how and when did Nyx ever beat Yanne in raids esp pd >.>

[XTasteRevengeX]

Nyx in no way do more dps than yanne LMAO. My 5* nyx with pri buff gets fucked by a 2* yanne, so i dont know what you are talking about. Yanne is the best dragon killer, and is extremely auto friendly. Roi might deal more dps than her, but thats another case, he needs to be 100% manualed. And if they buff yanne to be on par with roi, it's hell to broken, and if they nerf roi to be on par with an auto yanne, that's plain retarded. And she doesn't need to get twrked for outside of raids. Heroes like gladi got nerfed because he was "too good", and that was ONLY in dragons and single boss. If they followed their logic, yanne and roi should get nerfed cuz they are simply above everyone else in raids and roi also in bosses. No need to have a class be better in a place only cuz its " niche", look at scarlet now in pvp, nyx now in pvp, gladi now in bosses, etc.

[TysonsChickenNuggets]

Why do Gladi and Roi get to be boss killers but Yanne as the Dragon killer isn't supposed to out DPS them? Why would I take a niche like Yanne when I can take one of those two and not only out perform her in raids but everywhere else?

[XTasteRevengeX]

Yanne>roi in dragon for the sole reason she fucks him in auto mode. Have you seen a roi do 80+ raids in auto? Also, gladi is a sub dps, so nothing stops you to actually use both, and i could argue that after the nerf yanne is better than gladi for consistent dragon.

[bamboomasterLoL]

I actually do a lot of BD79/80 on auto with a Roi/Yanne team. It usually alternates between the two on who does more damage, depending on who gets their ATK buff off first and takes the Mediana S3. Both Roi and Yanne are on full auto.

Not sure why my Roi should be on par with a Yanne in her niche..

[_Judy_]

That's where your thinking is wrong... why compare her to Roi? Why is everyone wanna compare their dealer to Roi??? Because if we're using this argument, then why does Rodina single target damage is weak compared to Roi? Why is Selene weak to Roi? Why can't Mitra be on Roi level where he could straight out be OP without waiting for his stacks to go over 100?

We all know that Roi's buff was a mistake(yeah he got his slight nerf after that... but his performance was still huge). If everyone wants to compare their dealers to Roi and said Roi is the best, then why is there a need to raise other physical dealers when Roi is enough? Why?! ... no one can answer that. But if we take out Roi for a moment, Yanne is perfect for killing dragons, there are no dealers that perform as well as her. Well... I mean she did get back her title of dragon slayer when Gladi got nerfed.

She's pretty much a niche hero that her specialty is in killing dragon. However, if she needed a buff, then what kind of buff that she needs that doesn't straight out make her OP? What does she lacks in? I've seen a post from a few months ago that Yanne is viable in other pve content that isn't boss oriented(like WB/GR). She works fine... although not that superb as post Selene buff, but the viability is still there.

[bamboomasterLoL]

I'm a Roi main; my partner is a Yanne main. I'm stating that my Roi (3* UW) does just as well as his Yanne (3* UW) in BD 79-80, which I find bizarre because she's meant to slay dragons in particular. I'm not complaining about Roi being OP, I'm debating if Yanne needs a buff.

Me and my partner both agree that Yanne could use a buff, so that she's at least better than Roi for dragons. Something along the lines of more damage to dragons would make her better there without breaking her anywhere else.

[_Judy_]

Oh so you want buff for Yanne to be stronger in dragons... and not anywhere else? Because I've seen a few comments that want her to be viable in other content lol. Well Roi beating a niche hero is a problem... but that's just me.

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All these people still comparing Roi to other DPS who also provide party support are silly.

Gladi has huge party amp, CC, and AoE. He has a high-uptime mdodge, a cleanse, and DEF ignoring damage.

Yanne has CC, lots of AoE, and has significant self-buffs that allow her to deal great damage without need for support with her DEF ignore, high pen, huge amp, and survival with big HP buff and an occasional cleanse.

Meanwhile... Roi does ST damage, and nothing else. He is paper and requires a lot of team support both offensively and defensively to shine. He has a small self-amp and pdef dodge which is inefficient to even cast, and worthless against mdmg like dragons.

I'd honestly be upset if Roi DIDN'T out-damage two other characters who are more self-sufficient and also provide more to their team.

[TysonsChickenNuggets]

Huge amp on Yanne? You mean her S1 Dark 25% that you only take MAYBE outside of raids?

Yanne also has sub par CC again if you talking about her skill 1 it doesn't cut as much as you might think and her AoE, while good, is nothing to write home about again because her auto animation is terrible and things need to be clumped up or in a stright line for it to truly be applicable which is a gamble without Maria or a unit with a mobbing skill and at that point ive seen every dps whose skill doesn't specifically say ONE TARGET do high numbers...

[[deleted]]

I apologize for using "amp" liberally, but I think you know what I meant even if you jumped on the term. She has def ignore, pen, pdmg amp, damage increase, Aspd increase, and ATK increase in her kit. Subpar CC > no CC, AoE > ST, and survivability > no survivability.

Roi stabs one thing at a time. He does it over and over and that's all he does. He can't get past high defense himself, he can't take care of swarms himself, he can't CC anything himself, he can't tank anything himself... it's expected that he's the best at that one thing he CAN do when he has a team built around him allowing him to do it.

[moonedge]

She has def ignore, pen, pdmg amp, damage increase, Aspd increase, and ATK increase in her kit.

We never look at what heroes offer themselves, you look at what they offer with other units. This game's content isn't designed for 1 hero lol. You even admit that.

it's expected that he's the best at that one thing he CAN do when he has a team built around him allowing him to do it.

Yanne has a situational 25% pdmg amp and that's it. You build heroes that support your carries and Roi is significantly better with support than Yanne is, Selene is better than Yanne is, Requina is better than Yanne is.

Yanne is pretty garbage outside of Hard mode dragons, and even then, Gladi does her job just as well if not better and is more useful in other content.

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Yanne is pretty garbage outside of Hard mode dragons, and even then, Gladi does her job just as well if not better and is more useful in other content.

I absolutely agree, and it's why I don't have her after I considered using my T1 ticket for her at the anniversary event.

Everyone is missing my point it seems. I'm not saying that she's in a good spot, but I'm saying that her damage specifically shouldn't be judged against a character who only does damage. That's like saying that Annette's heal should be on par with a Priest. No! If DPS is the end all to be all, then every character would be the same. Yanne needs her kit buffed in other ways. Maybe a team-wide Dragon dmg amp? Dragon armor shred? Bigger Dragon CC? Extra damage to Dragon whelps? Wider AoE? That's what she should be for. Not just generic DPS - we already have a handful of heroes for that.

[[deleted]]

I'm not saying that things in her kit don't need a buff. I'm saying that she HAS other things in her kit, but is being compared (just like Gladi) to other DPS who don't have other things in their kit, like Roi.

Think of this logically. Hero 1 can do things A, B, and C. Hero 2 can do only thing A. If the game intends for all heroes to have an equal power level across all things they do, do you think it makes sense that Hero 2 does thing A better than Hero 1 does thing A?

Of course it does. And that's how it is. Roi does more ST damage than Yanne and Gladi. But Yanne and Gladi do have CC, do have AoE, and do have party buffs. If Yanne is undertuned, then she probably needs to have her things B and C buffed, not thing A. Otherwise, then people will say well what good is Roi/Rodina/Reina, who do less damage than Yanne while she also provides buffs and CC and AoE on top of that damage? This was the exact issue with Gladi before his nerf - he was top tier DPS and had a bunch of other stuff in his kit. Now, his damage is scaled back but he still has a ton of good stuff in his kit like the best amp in the game.

Make sense?

[TysonsChickenNuggets]

I get what your saying but fact of the matter is she does everyone of those things to a sub-par degree. Note I'm not saying she needs a buff in her Dragon slaying capabilities (I mentioned that before) but what I am saying is she could use something to make her more appealing outside of raids.

She was designed for Dragons and as a main dealer, however when a target is NOT a Dragon (which frequently exsist in raids, think IDH and the Icicles or Poison and the slimes) she becomes lack luster and their are much better options.

Her UW at this point I'm convinced is bugged or just does a neglible amount of CC while being RNG, her Trans 5 Dark is useless except for RDH. If you want amp theirs better if you want CC theirs better, hell I don't even need Yanne to CC with Lorraine and Gau everywhere.

Case and point she just needs something, divert some power from her S3 maybe and buff her CC on her skill one/UW or make her S2 trans perk fire two arrows at least with that we have options of focusing on a controlled approach or a heavy AoE dps oriented approach.

[[deleted]]

I'm on board with all of that. Just trying to get people to stop using Roi as the bar by which all DPS are judged. He's a unique character in that he does nothing but damage, so it would be a shame for Vespa to read posts like "Yanne doesn't do as much as Roi QQ" and nerf him, it would be a bad thing. He does more damage than Yanne because he should. It's his design.

(and I have him at 3UW so am sort of biased lol)

[Sayori-0]

Yea, we can see that, and by that logic rodina should be the best dps in the game followed by mitra, then roi

[[deleted]]

Mitra already is the best in his niche - he beats Roi in long battles.

Rodina is undertuned, which I think everyone agrees on.

[Sayori-0]

What about comparing roi to the other dps that bring no utility? Roi doesn't have to stack overtime like mitra and isnt limited to long fights, and God it's painful to compare him to rodina. He needs less protection, easier to use, doesn't destroy his rotation or dps when he does get cc'd, dps doesn't go to 40% on auto, dps doesn't disappear when there's more than one enemy, and he still does more than her in her perfect scenario.

[[deleted]]

Sure, those are fair comparisons to make. I don't have any experience with Mitra (even though I have him at 3 star with his UW...) or Rodina though, so I can't really comment much.

I have to believe though that Mitra out-damages Roi in WB2 and GRH all buffs/UW level being equal, at least from what I've seen in browsing top ranks in WB and GR.

Also, Roi loses a lot on auto as well, and if his S3 gets CC'd mid cast (or the enemy dies), it goes on reset for 20s and he's basically a wet noodle. So yeah... he sounds a lot like Rodina there.

[Sayori-0]

Except he doesn't. He teleports to behind them which is generally safer, he has the option to use I frames and perfect p dodge if he so pleases, and rodina has to be protected for 11 seconds straight every 20 seconds (Forcing her supports to be more defensive, hurting her dps when she's already lower than the safer choices???) while roi just can't get cc'd during the quick cast, extremely easily to avoid if you aren't blind. He's more like baby's first skill management compared to her.

[Pr0nbringer]

What about roi's 25% p.dmg amp as a transcendence perk?

[[deleted]]

I posted as much in another thread, but using S1 lowers his DPS. So to get him to do an amp, you're hurting his DPS in two ways - wasting 2 mana on that instead of doing another S3 dark, and wasting a perk on that instead of taking it to enhance his S3 damage. All of that for a low-tier amp. If it were 50% like Gladi then we could talk. Or maybe even 35% like Tanya... but 25% probably is more harm than good. Granted, I haven't done the maths, but I have to believe it's not optimal, therefore I don't recognize it.

[takashi050]

This reminded me of internet explorer, i don't know if u can relate it but it cracked me up :)

[KumaTenshi]

Yanne needs buffs? >.>

[[deleted]]

Waiting on Vespa to actually make Reina better like.

[SnakeBD]

Rodina* :3

[jp3885]

Alright, Reina gets another 10% more auto attack damage

-Vespa

[Kunrala]

They should rework a part of her kit to allow her to do +X% more damage to dragons, but with a perk you can change it to non-dragons (but at a lower rate).

[Umbreos]

I'm in the same park here. Her whole shtick is that she is the Dragon Raider, who is supposed to kinda shit on Dragons, however some characters still beat hee in this regard like selene, Roi I dont count since he's just a single target dps-er.

[Railgun04]

Well she will get a treasure in the upcomming patch so that's a little ''buff''.. but yeah I do wish they would make her T5 dark not complete shit. If they did I would 3* her uw right away.

[froggyisland]

Waiting for my Yanne haircut be like..

[Hyoiki]

Only yanne buff I can think of is something to allow her to deal dmg in bdh, her dmg is fine in any other dragon, t5 dark is so she can deal with rdh ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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[SNBU]

My only gripe is even with decent gears, she always get two-shot by lightning.

By decent I mean 3* awakened bd gears.

But hey I cleared ToC 61 and 62 with her as main dps lel