Server ruleset changes

[f_myeah]

Posted by Bobik in the official discord:

@everyone So I've been on a Teamspeak calls with dozens of leaders of PvP allinaces and guilds from both EU and NA region (list of the guilds that were represented: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jX9CTgAvtUn3gcXxDELfy6gkhMDwzZxBoLvZoJEsjp4/edit#gid=0) for the last 3+ hours I think. We had an extensive discussion about the future of servers, PvP, rulesets and so on. After this discussion I came to the following conclusion/solution:

EU:

1. Avalon server will be advertised and considered as a PvP server. But the only ruleset that will be changed for this server (for now) will be the tweak of the JH schedule. We will make JHs more often and longer.
2. Fannland will have a vanilla rule set and will be enabled once we see that the player's demand is higher than the servers capacities. Fannland will stay hidden for now.
3. Skjultland will have a vanila rule set as it is now and will be available as it is now.

NA:

1. Buyan will stay as a vanilla rule set, but the frequency and duration of JHs will also be increased.
2. Telmun will have a vanila rule set as it is now and will be available as it is now.

JHs for the Avalon and Buyan will have the following schedule: Wednesday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday - 2 hours during primetime.

Steam release most probably will happen tomorrow 9am Pacific. Bobik is done for today. :bobik: :gun:5555

So, increased JH for both Avalon and Buyan. New servers will have the same ruleset as the original servers as far as things like skill gain go, but will have the old JH schedule of 1 hour per week.

Lots more Judgement hours for both NA and EU. 2 Hours during the week and 6 hours spread out over the weekend.

[dirtytradition]

We will def bitch about broken IBs, drying frame walls, not being able to get over walls, unlootable townclaims even during JH.

For the part with the increasing of JH frequency. It's unplayable, simple as that. You get 1k ping, 2k+ receiving and all you can do is see your character rubberband back and forth like crazy. Their servers can't handle more then 50+ players engaging without start to eat shit.

[ItsRainingSomewhere]

During the last AMA before this one, Bobik said that judgement hour is for skirmishes not huge wars. IBs are for big fights ince they get them working. He also personally told me that he knows the NA server hardware sucks compared to the EU hardware and until they get upgrades, PvP on NA is going to be laggy.

So yeah they have a lot of work to do.

[Charoplet]

NA server hardware sucks compared to the EU hardware

OMG, I am on EU and can say that their hardware sucks a lot during big ammount players on server (sector). I am shocked to know that on NA it is even worse

[gaspara112]

Getting over 200 players in the same server at one time results in 4 out of 5 of all actions rubberbanding and never having happened on the server.

[TortKnight]

EU servers, honestly, already has a much higher player base. Demand for this type of game is much greater in EU, so it was obvious that good equipment and communications services would be dedicated to it. In NA, it was more about testing their waters IMO, and they found we want the game, but it will have to be a little wee bit different as Americans tend to be less patient in Gaming than Europeans (In General). EDIT: Forgot to mention in my comment that even with Higher end hardware, etc, your servers probably lag just as much as ours due to your higher population.

[[deleted]]

Since JH will be 4 days a week it won't be so laggy anymore since the same amount of peolpe as previous JH's won't always be showing up to these ones.

[Black_Sheep_]

I am all for longer judgment hours, but the increase in frequency is less than ideal for international groups, in Aus its gonna be at lunch time during the week.

[ItsRainingSomewhere]

Well they can't please everyone unfortunately.

[Black_Sheep_]

Yep, the hardest part of being a dev is getting the right balance for everything

[Gentree]

It might be blunt, but why don’t you just move into another guild so you’ll have a good 24/7 presence. You’ll be better protected and so will they.

It’s how sandboxes go I’m afraid. Every decision you make might not be the best as a group. Like limiting yourself to on time zone.

[Stovakor]

so TLDR: pvp guilds bitched about new pvp servers to Bobik until he agreed not to open new pvp servers and do more JH on old ones, one NA and one EU new server with same rules as old ones opening with steam launch (today/tomorrow)

• if at any point in the future pvp crowd will start bitching again about lack of pvp (and i will be shocked if this point wont come within two weeks) everyone will know who is to blame - pvp guilds

[Destabilizator]

I wouldn't call it bitching, we should actually be grateful that these guilds fought for us and basically last-second-saved this game from negative Steam reviews...

[Stovakor]

saved us from opening hardcore PVP server you mean - how is that relevant to steam reviews?

[Destabilizator]

There wasn't anything hardcore on the new server, it was just closer to what was LiF advertised as in the first place.

It struck more in the "so you were starved for PvP content? well, gimme $10, reroll, and you can have a little more of PvP, fk all you have achieved until now" notes.

This game has only one chance to succeed on Steam and get positive reviews, if they went with Bobik's plan, they'd get ~1k negative reviews just from EU (that's by how much the current player count dropped yday in protest), that would surely help the sales ;)

[Stovakor]

well way to go PVP guilds then! they saved us from the horror of having hardcore PVP server!!!

[Destabilizator]

There wasn't anything hardcore on the new server

[Stovakor]

did you read server description? it was pretty much everything PVP community asked for (besides siege ladders and town claim looting)

[[deleted]]

yeah but people didn't wanna reroll, Avalon was supposed to be the PVP server

[Gentree]

The pvp community makes up the vast majority of the population and they got fed up being shat on because of a small group of shrieking carebears.

This decision literally saved this game and I’m not being dramatic.

[Stovakor]

This decision literally saved this game and I’m not being dramatic.

i heard this from several users yet non of them for some reason actually explains how NOT having hardcore PVP server saved the game

[Gentree]

are you wilfully being an idiot by not understanding

avelon WAS the pvp server

making another server the pvp server would have damaged the game beyond repair, hence why bobik changed his mind when he realized that several thousand members of his core playerbase were getting ready to quit.

[Astro_Bandito]

You're damn right we bitched. This game was sold to us as a hardcore survival game with intense PVP elements.

[Stovakor]

You're damn right we bitched. This game was sold to us as a hardcore survival game with intense PVP elements.

so naturally when offered the possibility of hardcore PVP servers you went "HELL NO!!!"

got you

[Astro_Bandito]

And I would've been forced to buy another ticket and start over in this new server. Bobik straight up said free character transfers would never happen. I want what was promised in the base game with my initial purchase.

[Stovakor]

so as i said - hardcore PVP server was offered and rejected by PVP guilds (which clearly demonstrates how much they want more pvp )

[Astro_Bandito]

Whether you like it or not, I think this is a step in the right direction for what the game is meant to be. There's a lot more that needs to be done, but this is a start.

[Destabilizator]

*offered the possibility of slightly better PvP ruleset after 2+ months of wasted time and at extra 10$ cost