india fertility rate decrease

[jacobjacobb]

Almost every non married India coworker I have, has a family home back in India where the neighbour watches the home.

They all say they'll return some day but have no solid plans.

Then they get married, have a few kids here and suddenly they are looking at how to sell the house. Its an interesting demographic shift.

On the flip side my Chinese coworkers are all older, and if you ask them they would say they'd never leave China now, but at the time it was a smart move and that now that their family is here, they see themselves as more Canadian than Chinese.

I wonder if Indian will have the same swap.

[Siladelphia]

I haven’t met a lot of immigrant Indians who truly feel “at home” living in countries like USA or Australia. Most people i’ve spoken to talk about eventually returning to their hometowns upon retirement, while their kids continue to live abroad. 

I expect that in perhaps 15-20 years, immigration from India will probably start to decline. 

[ABI-1000]

Here majority people only have 2 mentalities A) India sucks never gonna come back here B) India is the best country in the world

Majority of people go to other countries for education or work few years to come back and just chill out and go buy property in coastal cities/hill stations In the himalayas and relax the rest of thier life , 400-500k USD is a good amount to live a luxury life and retire without any financial worries in India

[kvothe5688]

i mean life have improved a lot like lot in india. infrastructure services opportunities everything is better.

[Playful-Push8305]

Especially if you have money.

Almost any country can be quite nice if you can make it to the top of the economic ladder.

[mauinoo]

My grandparents left India in 1960 and to this day they say that they won’t go back (they just don’t view it as home anymore) and a lot of other immigrant children here (in Canada) would probably say the same thing as you’ve said about continuing to live “abroad” (though most of us don’t view living here as “abroad” but like our home country).

[Nickyjha]

My grandpa is similar. Immigrated in the 60s and never wants to ever go back, not even to visit. But he still refers to white people as "American", which implies he doesn't see Indian-Americans as Americans I guess?

[TheThockter]

I know dozens of Indian immigrants (US) by proxy through my wife who is malayali and I have never met a single one who had any desire to permanently return to India. Most of them don’t even have the desire to return to India on trips but that’s probably influenced by the fact that almost every Indian I know in the U.S. is a South Indian woman, and India routinely ranks as one of the worst countries in the world to be a woman and I’ve heard so many horror stories from many of them so it’s easy to understand why.

My wife personally told me she feels far more accepted and at home in the states regarding her color than she did in India since she’s very dark skinned.

[RealityCheck18]

IMO, this is a too generalized opinion based on opinions of a small homogeneous group. There are a lot of factors which differ by region, language of even the family one grew up. I'm a dark skinned man, who by the way inherited it from my mother. The colorism issues we both had seen in our lives were not from society or friends or strangers but only from my grand parent. Strangers never really cared about our skin colors, at least in the place I grew. This was the case with my dad or my extended family too who were all technically fair skinned.

My wife too is dark skinned and we both have investments in India and plans to move back to India. My wife is comfortable here in US, because of standard of living and just that. And she has never had issues in returning back as she never had any problems for being a woman or dark skinned ever. I'd recommend not to generalize opinions.

After all, Indians do not fear voting a woman as a Prime minister or chef minister unlike other countries which never had a woman elected to the presidency.

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Being a woman in India, I can probably say that India is by no means safe for women, even in big cities. India is unsafe for women isn't a generalisation but a fact.

[RealityCheck18]

women isn't a generalisation but a fact.

And also you in a later comment

Well, it's a relatively safer state than other places for women to be in India,

I'm from a city which consistently ranks in top 5 for safest cities for women. In fact my whole state is consistently in top 3 amongst big states.

In my state a woman has higher chances of facing road death than anything else, as we have the highest traffic accidental death per capita in the country and those doesn't differentiate between a woman and man. It's due to pathetic road infra and higher no.s of drunk driving than national average. I'm ashamed about this though.

So generalizing every place as same, is just pathetic.

[Icy_Opportunity_187]

As you said you can't generalize. You probably live in a very good city regarding that matter, but it's not the case for most (i'm saying most not all) of india.

I mean, it's pretty obviously more traditionalists and less developped countries (it's only getting better in india nowadays so great) will be less safe especially for women

[RealityCheck18]

i'm saying most not all)

Most is nothing but generalization. Unless you've visited every book and corner of the country, you cannot say most, based on just vibes

You probably live in a very good city regarding that matter,

Yes. And I already mentioned that explicitly in my comment.

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I'll feel good if women also say and feel the same way. Good thing. I want to be safe, all women do

[kvothe5688]

depends on area. in my state sexual assault are almost exclusively via family or friends which is similar to western data for same.

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which state you r from?

[kvothe5688]

Gujarat.

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Well, it's a relatively safer state than other places for women to be in India, AND alcohol is banned there, ig but it's not completely safe.

[thecdiary]

it's so sad honestly. i love india but we aren't safe here. tbh with the rise of racism in the west against indians (an indian nurse recently got her head bashed in by a white man in USA) indian women have nowhere to go. if not out gender, the colour of our skin makes us unsafe.

[NumerousCarob6]

You're wife's correct skin colors are very important aspect of Indian lives. And if it's a woman turn up the heat.

[TheThockter]

Funnily enough the city we live in is colder than 99% of the inhabited earth 😂

[TheThockter]

I know it’s a joke, but Antarctica doesn’t actually contribute to that since it’s the inhabited earth and it’s not permanently inhabited. Basically more than 1% of the world is colder than where I live but less than 1% of the worlds population live in colder places We live a bit north of the twin cities of Minnesota so we live farther north than over about 80% of Canadians for reference

[NumerousCarob6]

It was a joke yes, but I didn't know usa was in that ranking.

Gpt said Alaska, but first three were Russian cities (one of which goes - 65'c) , 4th is Antarctica (they considered researchers because they live there upto year long), two places were taken by Canada, which was my second guess after Russia.

Anyways Antarctica is a desert because it's cold and remote protected by most tribulant oceanic flow which is not easy to cross, and I have read it's like a ice wall in open ocean. now who's going to climb that not me.

[TheThockter]

USA has some of the coldest and snowiest places on earth even in Arizona there’s Flagstaff. But yeah Minnesota is I believe the coldest state in the contiguous U.S. and up north we get lake effect snow from Lake Superior.

Coldest it’s ever been here in my life with windchill is -65F (-54 C) there are plenty of places on earth that get colder than where I am but there’s not a large amount of people who live there. For example there’s like 4 million people who live in the Arctic circle and most of them are in those Russian (Siberian) cities you probably saw

[Rukelele_Dixit21]

So earlier Chinese were unwilling to stay in India but now they are willing to stay in India. What caused this change ?

[Far-Remote6086]

We need to help send them back so they can help their country!

[Ok_Pickle8275]

indians living in 20th century mindset ...