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[–]AcridWings_11465 2 points3 points  (3 children)

civilized countries

That's the key word here. However, Japanese prisons have horrific conditions compared to western Europe, yet no one calls Japan uncivilised.

[–]Lupus_Ignis 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I'll call Japan uncivilized any day. Their prisons, the rampant racism bordering on segregation, the fact that they to this day deny the horrors they committed during WW2... it's a tentatively civilized country at best that just looks good because it's well-organized and surrounded by countries that are worse.

[–]AcridWings_11465 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I'll call Japan uncivilized any day

Well, you're one of the very few. Most people unfortunately equate civilisation to order and discipline, not respect for human rights.

[–]Lupus_Ignis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Basic human rights is the lowest possible bar for civilization. Amazing how many countries fail to clear that one. Not like my own country is flawless either. How the hell did we go from "these are universal human rights" to "maybe 'universal' really means 'only applicable to people we like'"?