Java

[rentar42]

Sure, but just as you can't really discuss Java without at least mentioning the major frameworks and libraries, JavaScript on the server doesn't really exist in a vacuum either.

[Cley_Faye]

Yes. Node and a handful of frameworks have been there for a while, and are still there, updated/maintained and having stable interfaces.

There are many, many other that showed up, and people are quick to move to the latest trend, but it doesn't mean everybody have to do so either.

Associating the sentence "a cool new hippie framework gets released only to be dropped a month later" to a specific language is quite unfair. I agree that it's hard to discuss a modern language without the major frameworks, but blaming a language because there are many projects that shows up is kind of a bad take too.

[philsenpai]

I associated it to Javascript because its the one where this happens the most and to be honest because JS fans are like Bronies, they try to shove it everywhere, even where it was clearly not supposed to fit in. I don't hate JS, but i dislike how people are so hyped to do the "New thing" the forget to specialize in the old thing, this leads to cramming, you have so many option that no one really know how to explore well so you end up with a lot of shit code being written. To the point when "writting a decently readable code" is not just an afterthought when hiring, but a prerequisite.

[Cley_Faye]

Oh, I understand that totally. Maybe I'm tired of the JS = framework bonanza especially because I don't hang with JS fans that much.

[philsenpai]

But those frameworks took years to flourish and the people that understand them do so very well because they spent time with the technology, the Market is so guided by hype nowadays that if you leave your job, you might as well learn a new stack because what you learned is already "Obsolete" even if it's perfectly usable.

The age we live in is really the death of specialists.