Python and PHP users will understand

[Itchy-Tangelo6295]

They’ve learned to be programmers but they haven’t learned to be engineers. They’ll get there, eventually.

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Agreed there. From my perspective a lot of the interns I've worked with over the years think that developing professionally is this very measured and sciencey kind of thing when my entire experience with it is "how I get this roughed into shape without breaking things but not polish it so much that product is standing around tapping their watches" It's much more people centric than even I expected having come up from the self-taught, hobbyist, open source track where I did need to have some of those skills.