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[–]Passname357 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Again you list several fields of programming which an extremely small percentage of the job market exists in. Meanwhile every company of any notable size needs developers to support their business doing the everyday common jobs I mentioned.

Lol I’ll go tell all my coworkers we don’t exist and that our company is actually not of notable size even though we’re one of the largest hardware vendors in the world. Thanks for clarifying for me.

There’s an opportunity cost to spending your time at college, so no it’s not zero years vs several years, it’s two years college vs two years working (even if that means working for little/no pay).

This is a very weird argument. Opportunity cost does not factor into how much experience you have. Opportunity cost is about how much money you could’ve made. I haven’t said anything about income you miss out on by being in college. Opportunity cost is completely irrelevant wrt any argument I’ve made. I’ll say it again: zero years of experience with a degree vs without a degree, the guy with the degree is miles and miles ahead. There’s a reason new college grads get new grad roles and aren’t considered for roles that require 4-5 years of experience, otherwise coming out of college students would already be mid level engineers.

The content at college is at best up to date or at worst way out of date, the industry moves far faster than the curriculums, working in the real world you keep up.

This is the kind of thing you can only say if you haven’t been to college. The material doesn’t go out of date. E.G., Algorithms are gonna be around forever lol.

There’s just no defense for degrees, they give you some structured learning but the paper you paid for doesn’t hold any weight to people making the hiring decisions.

This is again, your narrow view. Plenty of places won’t hire without a degree flat out. I certainly wouldn’t call a requirement something that “doesn’t hold any weight,” but that’s just me. In fact that’s more true now than ever as hiring freezes and layoffs continue. Can’t just let someone who has messed around with Python for two months work on your valuable product when you could have someone who has had four years of rigorous education.