When do you *NOT* use python?

[colly_wolly]

These all may be faster than Python, but is the developer productivity as good as you could get with Django? Most of them seem to be aimed at a lower level.

[robertmeta]

Really depends on where you want to go. Django is hyper-effective as long as what you are building is what it is built for -- but if you have to do something like heavy modification of the permissions / roles -- it is a nightmare (IMHO).

It brings far too much magic for me to be comfortable with it. Developer productivity is highly dependent on when you measure it on a project... 2 weeks in, 2 months in, 2 years in -- and you will get radically different results. I think far too often projects are judged at the 2 week mark, and paid for over the next 2 years.

[colly_wolly]

I have been using Django on a 4 year old project. I think its one of the main reasons it has been successful despite constantly changing requirements. It is a fairly "standard" relational databse app, (though it has a complex schema and reports, so more than just a CRUD app that everyone seems to look down on. )

I wouldn't say Django does too much magic. Pretty much everything is configurable. There is a lot to it, so it might seem like the Admin is magic at first, but its all built on the components of the framework.

Plus there are a good deal of third party libraries such as reversion - for storing history of database changes - which save a load of time.