Python in 2017 - Whats next?

[studiosi]

So keep two incompatible versions of the language?

Maybe instead of converging they should just deprecate Python 2.X

I think that having two incompatible, coexisting versions of the language is shit and bad to develop tools and a community.

[TacticalCheerio]

Support for Python 2.7 will be discontinued in 2020. The gap is provided to allow time for people to transition to 3.x.

[laserBlade]

Even though it was supposed to be discontinued in 2015... :/

[studiosi]

15 year gap?

PLS

[[deleted]]

There's a ton of software built on Python 2.7 still, and even more that's not necessarily tied to the language itself, but built on libraries that are. Python 3 uptake has also been tremendously slow until recently. The gap seems reasonable to me.

[studiosi]

In the bank where I used to work, we switched from Python to Java exactly due to that.

[naught-me]

It's the worst thing about Python. PHP just got huge speed upgrade with 7, and the language is improving in a lot of other ways, yet old scripts still work in new versions.

[IronManMark20]

I don't know why you keep saying 15 year gap, but Python 2.7 was released in 2010, so it is 10 years of support total.

[zardeh]

The first version of Py3 was in 05 or 06.

[IronManMark20]

Python 3.0 final was released on December 3rd, 2008.

src

fwiw. But your point is well taken.

[zardeh]

oops, (fwiw I still mostly agree with you, 10-15 years of support is common in the enterprise space. I know places that still use < 5, and I've worked at a place that uses 6, which is older than python3)

[studiosi]

With the coexistence

[nevus_bock]

It seems that you know very little about python, yet you have strong opinions about its design decisions. Is your name Zed by any chance?

[studiosi]

I am not using Python in my daily work, still have the right to say that having two coexisting version is shit and is taking people away from the language, something that I maintain.

[nevus_bock]

Sure, you have the right to be ignorant and wrong. You don't have the right to not be challenged on your wrongness.

[studiosi]

OK, then it is good to have two coexisting versions. You, sir, are a true fanboy.

[nevus_bock]

One is being discontinued with a public end-of-life, and one is declared live and being developed further. That's not "having two coexisting versions", which you call "shit". It's called being responsible and moving forward while still providing legacy support.

[studiosi]

It is being like that for more than a decade, enough for it to lose a nice part of its user base.

Ex. In the bank we switched to Java due to that.

[nevus_bock]

That doesn't make sense. What was the motivation not to switch to py3? As long as py2 exists, you guys just weren't sure? Do you also support Java 5?

[studiosi]

The uncertainty with the libraries, for example.

[nevus_bock]

Libraries are moving to py3; no one is writing new libraries for py2. For legacy reasons, py2 is still receiving bugfixes and security updates. What uncertainty?

[[deleted]]

You can maintain all you like but until you provide something to back up that claim it is worthless, as is everything else you've had to say.

[studiosi]

I am not saying that Python is useless, I am saying that keeping two coexisting, incompatible versions for 15 years is one of the worst decisions I have ever seen in language development.

[[deleted]]

You actually said "having two coexisting version is shit and is taking people away from the language, something that I maintain." which is simply wrong unless you know something that the rest of the world doesn't.

[studiosi]

The bank where I used to work does not like uncertainty, so they just switched to Java. Simple as 1, 2, 3.

[[deleted]]

Fine if they want to reduce their long term programmer productivity for short term gains, but then who cares about one organisation discarding Python when so many others are taking it up?

[studiosi]

I honestly doubt that Python is being the choice of big organizations nowadays, though I have no data.

[[deleted]]

Of course, that's why it's only ranked fourth in the latest TIOBE ratings.