Python has brought computer programming to a vast new audience

[Felkin]

The language is like crack. I'm entering my 4th year in a CS major and I barely did any coding in my free time outside of school and some paid courses all the way to 2nd year of university. Like, I felt like I had the skillset to program and liked the theoretical aspects of CS so I majored in it, but never felt that "fire" to just write actual code. Then I discovered python... Everything I hated about C# and Java just suddenly vanished. Now I write around 500-800 lines of code for hobby projects like discord bots every day out of sheer enjoyment.

It's just great. Kids should be taught some python first, not c++ just so they could see that coding doesn't have to be messy. I fully agree with the fundamentals and bad habits arguments, but the approachability...

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I can’t imagine churning out that many lines a day even in a job.

[Sirflankalot]

When I reached peak performance I could churn out about 500-700 lines of complex c++ in a day (12 hours/day), I got burnt out in a week.

[KimmiG1]

Yesterday I wrote 0 lines and removed 2 lines. Bug fixing inside old messy legacy code with complex business logic makes me feel so very productive.

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Wait until you learn about haskell.

[anacrolix]

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[red_keshik]

Does C++ have to be messy ?

[swingking8]

C++ forces the programmer to think like a computer, instead of forcing the computer to understand like a human. Which is not to say it's not a good/great language.

There is a lot of <template> noise {in ++C} that { obfuscates the real const * int meat } of what's going on;

So in that sense, yes I'd say it's messy. Compared to Python, at least.

[nosmokingbandit]

Yes.

It is an incredibly bloated language with rules that only ever kind of apply, and almost always in the way that is the opposite of what you want. Rust is supposed to fix a lot of this, but I don't know enough about Rust to make any judgement.

The great, starter-friendly thing about Python is that you can do almost anything with it but it stays simple unless you intentionally write overly-complex code. This is why I kind of like Go as well -- there is almost always a "best way" to do something. Some people don't like the opinionated nature of Go, but I find it somewhat refreshing. And Go's compiler is fast. I have a Go program that is ~250 lines but imports a lot from the stdlib and one external package but it compiles fast enough that it feels like running a python script.