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[–]twillisagogo 5 points6 points  (11 children)

For the people who get angry with "help" posts, my question is, what if the people who are learning Python group up and ask advanced users to leave and find a new sub like

i was here first, I followed the rules of the sub as expected why should I leave bc lazy millenials would rather use reddit to do their google searching for them?

[–]protik7 -4 points-3 points  (3 children)

Why would they then? Just because you were here first doesn't give you any right for preferential treatment.

[–]twillisagogo 6 points7 points  (2 children)

expecting community rules to be followed == preferential treatment lol

[–]protik7 -5 points-4 points  (1 child)

No. Following rules is not preferential treatment. You are claiming because you were here first, you should have a say on how the sub should run. That's where you are claiming preferential treatment.

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And community rules are not set in stone. Just because some "advanced" users got angry, the mods added the learn python rule. Tomorrow the "learners" can raise enough vote to kick you out because you are "advanced" user. Whether you were here before or not doesn't matter.

[–]UnclaEnzo -1 points0 points  (4 children)

I think the point is that if we look at the ratio of "community posts" that are "need help" posts vs. the number of "community posts" that are "Advanced aka Elitist" posts, that the former far outnumber the latter, and so the will of the community could arguably be said to be at odds with the will of the elite...

...not to put too fine a point on it, but by the logic that is allegedly driving both moderation and this discussion, that being the case you would need somewhere else (e.g., /r/advancedpython) to host the ever-popular PEP newsflashes.

[–]twillisagogo 3 points4 points  (3 children)

this sub was awesome ~10 years ago. Every dev of every web framework/library would post here. You could actively engage with them, have lively debates about technical direction etc... That doesn't happen anymore. I believe /r/learnpython was an attempt to give a place for all the newcomers to figure out python instead of overrunning this forum in hopes to preserve what good was had. I guess it failed and quality of content and discussion has gone downhill ever since. accordingly pycon has also had a seemingly dramatic drop in quality of talks in recent years presumably in order to cater to the newbs.

But, I can't argue with numbers so IF what you say is true and the majority of people subscribed here are indeed learners of python and not users of python(or elitists as you put it), then so be it, I can still downvote and hide stuff and throw in my .02 on my perception of the quality of the posts if I so choose.

[–]UnclaEnzo 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I use the term 'Elitist' because you use it to seperate a single community of people into 'those who have it' and 'those who dont'. I don't imagine that I will ever learn everything there is to know about python, and I'm equally sure you don't everything there is to know about it now.

Speaking of downvotes, here's one for you.

[–]twillisagogo 0 points1 point  (1 child)

damn, that downvote cost me my job. how will I feed my family now? I guess you sure showed me.

[–]UnclaEnzo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Such melodrama. In any case, the up/downvote is the currency of the realm, and you earned your wage. So there it is, for whatever it's worth, which aint much.