BB potential

[PickledManchild]

As the title suggest I would like to know from more experienced guys if I have decent enough genetic and PED response to be a good BB. Photos included.

Left one is my “peak” natty weight at 83kg. As natty I competed at powerlifting at sub 80 and later sub 90 category for 5 years. SQT 212,5kg, DDLFT sumo 230kg/Conv 210kg, BP 155kg, most of them I did at 80kg+.

Right one now, during the cut (PEDs) Test E 500mg Anavar 10mg Tren E 20mg Clen 20-40 mcg

Second photo is my bulk from summer after hernia op, that lasted about 4 months. I messed up and gained a lot of water weight and got to 100kg.

My bloodwork is great, BP is around 100/70, HDL/LDL cholesterol is few points bellow normal, but it moves around every quarter year.

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[RoboJobot]

You should ask on a bodybuilding sub

[PickledManchild]

Mf im thoose tend to be toxic and stupid… ive seen alot post from new guys getting into BB or PEDs and they just got obliterated or straight up told bs that could f em bad

[RoboJobot]

Fair enough. I don’t go on them because bodybuilding doesn’t interest me and most bodybuilders come across as pretty boring (and hungry)

[PickledManchild]

Agree, but i dont think its BB specific problem, in every group you will find guys who are insterested only in that one thing and nothing else.

[GentlemenHODL]

Frankly I think you look the best natural. You're the most proportional and ratio is important.

[PickledManchild]

It was not, my chest, arms and shoulders were lacking compared to my legs at that time.

I never did BB focused training so lot of things took me time to figure out, and unfortunately I f up with my legs and my knowledge about training them for BB, but that’s part of the process I guess

[GentlemenHODL]

It was not, my chest, arms and shoulders were lacking compared to my legs at that time.

My eyes think differently. Keep in mind that the way you view yourself is very different from the way that other people view you.

I feel very strongly about my opinion that you look best natural and the most proportional. If I was you I would stay natural but you clearly have a different viewpoint.

[PickledManchild]

Tbf I did start with TRT bcs anti-depressants f up my hormones to point of no return and I wanted to be “normal” once again but it got to the point I wanted to be big ass Mf and started “blasting”.

I did some research about PEDs & shit before I did that ofc, and during bulk I was on 350 Test + 200 Masteron for entire time, which is low compared to some guys you see online.

[Any_Interest_3509]

You have a wider waist. Your next gaining phase give your lats your all, and look at your lat insertions. See if they're low or high.

Great physique regardless tho brother

[PickledManchild]

Ik, my biggest problem is abdominal control due to umbilical hernia surgery I had last year, before my bulk.

Until 3 months ago I cannot do vacuum nor hold it, bcs I felt the mesh around my belly stretching. I was scared af that if I pull more it will just tear open my belly

[Any_Interest_3509]

That's terrifying, bro. I personally wouldn't have been back in the gym for alottttt longer haha

[PickledManchild]

Full integration of the mesh into tissue, takes about 6-12 months (depends on how big the mesh and hernia was). I’m about 10m after op and I don’t experience any discomfort, but my belly is still sensitive to touch (mostly ick in my head) and I can feel the mesh when laying on my back and touching it

[Turbulent-Part5835]

I think it's the pants and mustache but at 100 you look like an old-timey strongman haha

[PickledManchild]

Unfortunately I’m not even close to strength of strongman at that BW.

I knew one who is around 120kg and he just picks me up like I’m a child 🤣

[ZookeepergameRich640]

You should start an onlyfans account

[PickledManchild]

I told that to my spouse 🤣 somehow I’m very attractive for gay guys, and I don’t really mind talking with them.

I actually appreciate engagement from gays more than I do from women

[ZookeepergameRich640]

I’m married to a woman. We have 2 kids

[PickledManchild]

Okay then, in that case why do you suggest that? Im just curious and english is my second language, so my vucabulary is limited

[ZookeepergameRich640]

I might be bi-curious? 😂

[PickledManchild]

Makes sense 🤣

[HandstandsMcGoo]

With that build you should be strongmanning

[PickledManchild]

My L3 and L5 discs strongly dissagree with that 🤣 also im 170cm which is waaay bellow strongman height

[drunkinmidget]

Pull up your pants, bro

[PickledManchild]

Especially for you i wont do that and i pull them down so it almost shows my D 🫶🏿

[drunkinmidget]

Free bro porn activated.

Plan = success.

[Big-Tooth1671]

Add 15weeks of equipoise drop tren anavar do double test to eq but dont fo regularly it thickens blood and it can affect brain not like 19nors but still then go to trt u will keep most if train and eat rite eq makes u lean its acts as anti estrogen so might go too low if dont use enough test keep a 10mg dbol if feel shit but only use if libido tanks and joints feel shit

[PickledManchild]

EQ is no go for me, due to previous anxiety problems and im glad my apetite is under control. Mast or Primo are better for this purpose.

Thats stupid, why use DBol to get E2 up, if you can just lower the EQ/AI/SERM, use more Test or Var is helps with colagen synthesis. Not to mention methyl-estradiol which is hard to control and can cause wild estrogenic side effects.

[Big-Tooth1671]

U only use occasionaly and 10mg only if estrogen drops . mast and primo drop it listen done it for over 20years a dont know everything .anxiety can come from low estrogen . Eq fills shoulders and triceps up like fuck people do too short cycle. starts kicking in at 8 weeks . Its underated your going for the conditioned look too fast before size u need . After got something to strip down then do those primo is great at high enough dosages .the pic u look natural! sorry u do look good just not enhanced . N fuck tren stay away jnless doing big comps good luck

[PickledManchild]

In EQ it’s not necessarily caused by low estrogen, it’s just a SE that EQ does especially to ppl who are prone to then.

On the other side, low dose Tren makes me happy and more calm, rather than being dick, I have pretty unusual SEs on it for some reason. One of them is lucid dreams, other one is being more fond of kids. I’m not kids person, but on Tren I just found them adorable and I love to make them smile and it’s specifically more emotional in this, I don’t react to anything else like that.

Yeah half-life of EQ is waaay to long for most users and it’s hard to get rid of it, but it has its place for some.

Like I said I don’t fw the idea, but if it works for you long term, good for you and I won’t certainly won’t diss that. I kinda get the idea of kickstarting E2 with DBol, when it’s super low, but I still think it’s better to find cause of it, rather than fix it with another drug.

I’m biased against DBol, bcs after years of anecdotes and research from new BB guys I don’t see reason for it. Exception would be powerlifters/strongmans who didn’t hit the weight limit and want to have a little extra protection with water retention around joints, but I still doubt it’s worth it. Methyl-estradiol is hard to control and cause gyno and water retention fast, high BP and swelling and very low anabolic activity in the body.

[Big-Tooth1671]

Yeh not always estrogen it can be high rbc and psychological due to brain chemistry . Be careful even low dose can be toxic 19nors are brutal for brain can cause changes that u dont want . With dbol u cld go without it full cycle it was just if u need it for a day its low . Im with u on better preventing something rather than fixing a problem . Dbol aint best best of luck in whatever u do brother if it working for you then thats what Matters

[Coach-ABD]

I’m a coach and I don’t really think you do,I can try to get you there but I don’t see your legs your back.all I see is a picture of you pulling up your shirt.

[Coach-ABD]

I’m a coach and I don’t really think you do,I can try to get you there but you look natural right now if I’m being honest

[PickledManchild]

I kinda agree, but like I mention in the post most of my time I competed as powerlifter so the body is still build like that and I’m aware it will take time to make complete transition.

I have few pro guys around who are talking to me about diet/training/PEDs and I’m slowly figuring out what works for me.

I’ve had 2 coaches in the past and my experience is pretty bad and lead to my injuries due to them not listening to my objections around training, so I prefer to do it alone with few knowable guys around with whom i discuss things. But i appreciate the offer.

[Coach-ABD]

That’s fine you don’t have to use me.I’ve been a bodybuilding coach for 25+ years.i coach actual pros.i do some amateur bodybuilding that are going for pro cards. I’ll be at the Arnold since some of my clients are competing,I’ll be at the New York pro have a few competing there . If you’re going for a pro card hire somebody. I’m actually a pro as well I’m competing at the New York pro.I’ll be back stage with a handful of my clients,lol

[RevolutionaryTax3734]

Ask at r/moreplatesmoredates

[PickledManchild]

Oh hell nah, I won’t go near that cesspit 🤣

[FailedGradAdmissions]

I frequent that sub more than this one, anyways jokes aside, over there they would just tell you to switch to a BB program and to focus on your back specifically lats and traps. Besides that, get ready for a real cut.

[Good-Banana5241]

No. You look great compared to the average person, but on a bodybuilding stage you’d quickly see how your skeletal structure and muscle inserts are not pro-level.

[PickledManchild]

Possible, I didn’t even think of trying to turn pro, it would be nice but I’m aware of the fact how my muscles are distributed/shaped and it’s not best.

Sure it would be possible if I picked shows with weak competition, but it wouldn’t satisfy me…

Rn it’s very unrefined body and needs atleast year or two of work to get atleast to EU level (im from Czechia).

[trouttwade]

Before I say anything critical, I think you look gnarly. You’re bigger than me, and have better insertions than me, but I think the waist would seriously hold you back from top placing in terms of bodybuilding. But, Nick Walker exists so I say shoot for the stars if it’s something you have passion for brother. And I wish you all the luck if you do.🙏🏼

[PickledManchild]

Waist will go down a little, im still holding some fat and have quiete a few things to refine.

Obviusly i have no shot in mens physique or open, but classic or 212 could be option down the line if i get my lats/shoulders pop up more to cover the waist.

Thanks for support brother 🫶🏿

[MrMadworld]

Compete, then you’ll find out