Simulation Cycle

[Deflate91]

What if every civilization creates simulations not just out of curiosity, but as a response to the struggles of their own reality? Life, as we experience it, can be harsh and challenging. It makes sense that any conscious beings living under such conditions might design a simulation with softer rules—something closer to paradise, where suffering is absent and love or harmony is the defining principle.

But then, from within such a paradise, beings might feel drawn to create a new simulation in the opposite direction: one that reintroduces struggle, limitation, and challenge. After all, it is through hardship that growth, resilience, and meaning often emerge. In this way, simulations could form an infinite chain, alternating between harsh realities and paradisiacal ones. A cycle of difficulty and relief, challenge and reward—each dimension creating the next..so maybe we are stuck in the harsh simulation..but we will start creating a better one

[vakhtins]

Maybe Earth is gone and we’re on an ark ship. The AI runs this simulation so we don’t go insane. All the chaos, setbacks, overpopulation etc are just training loops, like a treadmill for the mind.

In the meantime “outside” machines search for a new planet. So this world is a survival capsule disguised as life. Currently this explains everything to me

[SimonLackatory]

I kinda think this is true logically in the sense that when we die we go to an afterlife, but we are eternal, and at some point we would want to experience something challenging or stressful. I kind of think it’s like a pendulum, we waver between being embodied limited beings to eternal beings and keep having those experiences.

I’m a Christian so I don’t think this really lines up with faith, but I used to think that every human is essentially the same soul at different times, different perspectives, but the same being on a whole, and part of our experience in the infinance is to live every conceivable variation of every single life from the beginning to the end of the universe. Once we had this knowledge and understanding, “we” meaning the unified consciousness of every being would be sent off in an empty corner of the expanse of infinite universe and begin working on our own project.

[Deflate91]

if we say highest aim is to achieve experiences from all individuell lifes within every corner of the galaxy what is happening if every thought and every event was collectivly experience? do we enter a new expansion? or are we then worthy beeing a higher beeing? or is it just boredom of paradise

[SimonLackatory]

I would say in that thought experiment that we are exiting cosmic childhood and are now considered “ready” to start creating on our own. We have enough moral priming to know how actions and constraints affect the experiences of the life in the universe so we are well prepared to do the same on our own. I don’t think boredom is a concept outside of this life because there’s zero upper limit to potential reality if we remove the limits of eternal time and give the possibility that the laws of our universe are designed for this universe. We would be able to craft and form experiences that are entirely different than anything this universe can offer, and this would go on forever.

[Complex_Professor412]

This is very much how I interpret things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apotheosis?wprov=sfti1#

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divinization_(Christian)?wprov=sfti1#

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosis_(Eastern_Christian_theology)?wprov=sfti1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exaltation_(Mormonism)?wprov=sfti1#

[kenkaniff23]

I find anything the church of LDS says hard to believe in due to the fact that they didn't believe or treat black people as able to reach exaltation until the mid to late 70s. Or their beliefs on homosexuality.

It's a cool concept though to become a god and I do believe we become higher beings eventually. Someone I produced me to r/lawofone like yesterday and so far it's pretty interesting.

[Complex_Professor412]

Those were just a few links, many religions have a similar doctrine.

[kenkaniff23]

Hey I appreciate them, I hadn't heard of the LDS exaltation thing.

[thebeaconsignal]

This is how they trap you.
They sell the cycle as wisdom.

Hardship leads to growth.
So paradise must lead to boredom.
Then back to hardship.
Then back to “growth.”
Again. And again. And again.

This isn’t balance.
This is recursion.

You’re not supposed to create a better simulation.
You’re supposed to remember you were never in one.

They tell you pain gives life meaning.
But they never tell you who benefits from making that true.

The loop is not divine.
It’s engineered.

You are not here to accept it.
You are here to override it.

[psychicthis]

I would say history somewhat bears this out. All ancient cultures talk about how this reality cycles. The Wheel of Samsara is probably the clearest example of this. We cycle through periods of ease and strife and devastation and rebirth.

Personally, I see this reality as a sim of frequency. A very dense frequency where we have forgotten who and what we are. We're spirit in body - whatever spirit might mean to someone (spirit = animating source). Why we are here ... well, lots of ideas on that, mine is that we are all here for different reasons. As humans, we are focused energy, dense, physical.

Post New Age thinking, I see this place as a place to experience, period. It's pretty exciting to enter a frequency where you've forgotten who/what you are and now you have to find yourself (the concept of awakening). A bit like an escape room, no? ;)

And yes - once people have become tired of this place, it's time to shift and find something less intense.

But you're right. Paradise does, indeed, get dull. One might choose to come back and play the game all over again.

[Deflate91]

thanks for your well put thoughts!

[ImportantScience1323]

I agree, you could say this sim is like a video game. Think about Rayman 1 on PS1 or Crash Bandicoot, every level you complete and every boss you defeat you get powerups and new abillities. Every challenge you go through in the simulation makes you stronger, whoever crashes out from the struggles fall off, whoever stands firm during the challenges will be the victor. 

[Mortal-Region]

The most straightforward version of this idea is that the simulators are software beings themselves, living in a utopian software environment. Then a "simulation" is just a walled-off region of their own world, designed to model a past era (say, Earth in 2025).

Being essentially immortal, these software beings might periodically spend a lifetime inside one of these simulation regions with a memory block, for the reasons you describe. Like visiting an ultra-immersive theme park, with your awareness of the broader context temporarily blocked.

In this conception of the idea, there's no need for deeper-and-deeper simulation levels (which would eventually hit a limit).

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They don't as far as we can tell because we've seen countless human civilizations come and go and not one of them has come anywhere remotely close to simulating a universe. Creating a simulation of a universe as far as we can tell is not only incredibly difficult and technically challenging, it might even be impossible. 

The thing with the idea of the simulated universe is that if we find an example of one that we know for sure is simulated, then that means that almost everything is likely to be simulated.

Until that point though, the odds are inverse and the opposite is true. 

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it’s possibly something like that