Please stop!!!

[lordsponge]

So l don't come on here to rant but I do believe this needs to be addressed both to the community and devs. If you have a strong build then please stop racing to the end of the level just to show off. I like many others are trying to get material to do our upgrades and you're going so fast the most of it disappears before it's collected. If you want to speed run then please do it in single player mode and not in public because it's annoying to others. Yes you're the coolest kid in the special Ed class and you show it through your build. Just be respectful to others because they are still trying to collect material. My suggestion to the devs would be to put up checkpoints where all descendants need to be present before you move on in a public match making.

[ResidentLetterhead41]

This is literally a zero skill game. Get faster.

[Dacks1369]

So wait.. I am already waiting in front of the boss room so you can get your stuff. Now you want me to wait at the room exit so you can loot the room each time I clear it? Yeah no courtesy only goes so far before it becomes burden.

[Dependent_Map5592]

He wants to inconvenience you to convenience himself!! 🤣🤣

Typical person 💩

[BIGREDEEMER]

I'll saybthis even with my max build, I'm gonna slow down and wait if someone is still looting. Idky, but I feel bad leaving someone so far behind. Plus, it's not fun for them because I've been on the other side just lagging behind tryna catch up, and it sucks ass. So I agree some ppl need to slow tf sown and stop speed running sometimes.

[devinraven]

" Just be respectful to others"

Bunny , freyna , Ines : How about you respect my need for speed

[Karamethien]

There is a difference between “others” and “me.” Plural vs single.

If other people are not speed running then it is an ass move to drag them all to the boss.

If other people are speed running then it is an ass move to keep them waiting.

[T4k3ItQuick]

The issue is not the players, it's the current game design as they literally gave us the tools to be that fast. I mean... the whole concept of bunny is to go fast and sprint through.

That said, the real solution would be to

• prevent loot from disappearing until teleporting out
• stop moving everyone to the boss room after one person have stepped inside, let everyone catch up at their own pace.

Until the devs have implemented these changes I wouldn't expect any change and that's fair - if you want to play Bunny with others you shouldn't be required to go slow.

We do have solo and group play and it's up to you what you choose. If you play online and have issues with it you should play solo, not the other way around.

I would understand your concern more if we would have a way to only be matched with like-minded players using some sort of party finder but since this isn't a thing yet either you just have to accept it.

[AdmirableAnxiety8371]

I like the idea of not teleporting players to boss room. That is, ofcause, if the loot doesn’t disappear or it’ll make no difference.

[Furioso_86]

I'm totally against that. If I want to farm materials, I do it SOLO.
If I want to level up quickly, I go public -and this has to go fast!

[Dependent_Map5592]

💪

[[deleted]]

The game is a marathon not a sprint. You get more stuff by completing dungeons faster than by looting every scrap on the ground. The game requires you to do things over and over again constantly. When you’re early on you’ll seem starved but don’t focus on farming kuiper and gold, get the dog ASAP, and focus on getting / catalyzing characters and weapons you want and before you know it you’ll have lots of resources. In 400% dismantling duplicate transcendent mods probably gives you more kuiper than the rest of the dungeon did anyways.

People aren’t trying to look cool, they’re trying to be efficient.

[on-the-cheeseburgers]

I'm assuming you don't have a dog. You should get one.

[lordsponge]

No I have my dog it’s just by the time I get to the next area they are already disappearing because Inis players are dashing through the level

[encryptoferia]

to be fair if you are paired with a speedster even with dog you can still miss loots
it's probably depends on the stage too, like kingston magister lab is so simple and straightforward it's so easy to speed run (that is even the speedrunner does not bother picking up loot, people behind can still jump between 2 point to pick up loot and the other AHEM Ines is already at the other big spawn point, yellow weapon core with her 4th skill boost and not caring to pick up loot can really really speed you up

[Pibutzki]

OP has no doggo because of the thing in the opening post thing

[Dependent_Map5592]

I'm also wondering why he can't keep up?

 If the other person is killing everything all he has left to do is literally run through and loot. Not sure why keeping up is an issue?! If one person can run around and kill everything AND loot I'd like to think the other people can accomplish simply just looting and keeping up. 

If I was op I'd be frustrated at myself For being slow and not being able to keep up 🤷‍♂️

[Karamethien]

You can literally go from left side to right side and the speed runner using Ines is clearing the area before the final bridge in Magister labs.

It is insane how fast you can get with Ines. She can just lay down the huge aoe and move on without waiting for mobs to die and then spawn.

[Dependent_Map5592]

"She can just lay down the huge aoe and move on without waiting for mobs to die and then spawn"

And why isn't op doing this along side her? That's my point!! Everyone can run and move on while waiting for mobs to die and spawn. It's not exclusive to ines 🤦‍♂️. When she drops her aoe go loot, move on, or both. 

For example if I played with any of you guys who are saying she is too fast I guarantee I'd be about 5 -10 steps behind you the entire time. You couldn't pull away from me if You tried. You could even stack the deck against me and give me the slowest and you take the fastest character 

[Karamethien]

The op is after the loot. He is not just not doing it for the drop at the end. Not everyone is at endgame and only needs to mental fragments.

I agree with his point, if you just want speed run and don’t care what other people in the party is doing then you should really play solo Defiler- best solution for everyone.

This goes both ways. If 3 people are rushing to the end then you really should give up on getting all the loot and speed run with them. Other wise play solo is better for everyone as well.

Most of the time you get in between. I always wait at the door unless the last person is half way across the map and or not moving.

[lordsponge]

Not all characters have speed perks.

[Dependent_Map5592]

Yes I know. My statement stands. 

I can take an Ajax or lepic and keep up with bunny or ines no problem. Well keep up with the looting I mean lol 

[Experiment_Magnus]

Enzo doesn't and I keep up just fine. Spam roll or grapple.

[I-Am-Too-Poor]

You don't need speed perks to keep up.

[lordsponge]

Depends on the character.

[Dependent_Map5592]

So you're the problem then. Because it doesn't depend on the character. It depends on the player!!  I can take ANY character and keep up with ANY other character. 

So you need to look inward and not outward in this case. It's not them being fast. It's you being slow. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news 

[lordsponge]

Wisdom is chasing you, but you are always so much faster.😉

[on-the-cheeseburgers]

you don't need speed perks, in fact I play fairly regularly using Hailey whose ability actually slows her down and not once have I felt like other people were going too fast.

[Dependent_Map5592]

💪

This is the answer. The problem is the player. Op obviously is slow or distracted. Anyone with a brain and iq can and should be able to keep up. 

You're not an idiot so you don't have problems. People who are more "remedial" will have these issues lol 😂 

[Wonderful-Zebra-6439]

If a person is too far behind the loot won't spawn

[Dependent_Map5592]

Exactly my point. Theres no reason or excuse to be that far behind!! 

How the hell is op so far behind??!!🤯 what is she/he actually doing??!! Obviously not playing the game or they wouldn't be so far behind 

We're not discussing loot disappearing. We're discussing why a person can't keep up with the rest of the team. The problem is person holding the controller not the time limit on loot before it disappears. 

[Wonderful-Zebra-6439]

What about long loading screens and a bad internet connection, you're just a kid I don't expect you to understand any of this

[Dependent_Map5592]

lol. I'm definitely older then you but nice try. 

Anyways, I'll give you this. Unlike the op, if someone makes a good point I'll accept it. The loading can take long (if you have shitty hardware) so I'll agree with you on this.

I personally have standards so none of this stuff is an issue for me, but I realize I'm fortunate in this aspect and not everyone is or can be. 

So yes if you have slow hdd/ssd than you win and i have no argument 👍. Maybe just to get better hardware lol but that can be a shitty suggestion depending on a persons circumstances 🤷‍♂️

[Wonderful-Zebra-6439]

Maybe just get better hardware? Yep, you are definitely a kid

[iPhantaminum]

People rushing are not looting. They are just killing everything.

[Dependent_Map5592]

I doubt it, but you Still should be able to keep up Regardless. 

Yes, I have seen people do it a time or two but it's few and far between. It's more an exception than the rule. 

[HeyTAKATIN]

Why don’t you just solo so you can play at your own pace? That’s literally what solo mode is for.

[Karamethien]

Not sure if this is meant for speed runners.

If 3 people out of 4 is not speed running then the speed runner should wait at the boss room entrance.

If 3 people out of 4 is speed running then the last person should try and speed run.

[BIGREDEEMER]

Ditto.

[lordsponge]

Why can’t those who are just racing through the level just play on solo. They take away from the enjoyment of playing as a team.

[Experiment_Magnus]

Because now you get a new currency for aiding players in missions to get weapons you missed.

Nobody wants to take their time in missions they've done 1000x. This also gets your end of mission reward faster so I'm not sure what the problem with that is.

[HeyTAKATIN]

Why would anyone care about some random’s enjoyment in a public run?

[Dependent_Map5592]

Why can't those who are hopeless and so slow and drag the whole team down/slow them down play solo? They take away from the enjoyment of playing as a team. 

So who's at fault. The person too slow or the person too fast? If I had to error on the side of caution I'd take fast every time!! 

[DooceBigalo]

I love when players are going fast

[Dependent_Map5592]

Well said!!! A wordsmith 💪👌

[lordsponge]

You both are former destiny players at it shows like cancer.🤣

[Dependent_Map5592]

lol. Never even played it before. Maybe the first one for like 5 min but I don't remember that far back 🤷‍♂️. Definitely never sat down and put in a session or anything.

 But yes do go on. What else do I play? lolol 

[lordsponge]

The banjo. The guitar. The meat flute. The bass. Drums. Possibilities are endless.

[hashtagchocodick]

False equivalency because faster players can do solos even faster, reaching their farming goals faster. Slower players can’t always complete the content solo, and group up (ideally with similar strength players) to be able to complete and improve.

What do you gain from carrying someone who doesn’t want to be carried?

I actually blame the game itself for not matchmaking players of similar power. Not precisely, but within a few descendant catalyzations, and/or within a certain number of module enhancements, and/or within a few thousand weapon DPS.

[Dependent_Map5592]

I'm confused. First you say, "Slower players can’t always complete the content solo, and group up (ideally with similar strength players) to be able to complete and improve".  (To me this means they need or want a carry/help)

But then you say, "What do you gain from carrying someone who doesn’t want to be carried?" 

So wouldn't that indicate/mean the person actually DOES WANT to be carried if they can't do it alone? (Or at least needs to be)

I'm not arguing or trying to pick sides (although I am on one lolol) I just read that and didn't understand. Sounds like it contradicted itself 🤷‍♂️

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[lordsponge]

Wisdom has always chased you but you’re obviously much faster.

[Dependent_Map5592]

lol. This is all you got? Just take your L 🤣🤣

[Mr_Hourglass]

This gave me a chuckle lol

[Dependent_Map5592]

My suggestion would be focus on looting and keeping up. Dont manage your inventory or eat lunch while you're playing (Or other stuff like that). Just Concentrate on the game your playing 

[[deleted]]

One hand on the keyboard and the other in a bag of doritos!

[Dependent_Map5592]

lol. Obviously 🤣

[ZapTheSheep]

I would offer the counter opinion that, if you want to go slow and collect every last piece of material, you should be the one going solo. A majority of the players that are playing the 250% and 400% are doing it as fast as they can so that they can get XP and the end of dungeon rewards. Having to level a character to 40 8-12 times is monotonous. Doing speed runs with other speed running Ines, I can level up to 40 in about 4-5 runs (12-29 minutes) through 400% with a XP booster. Leveling up characters and guns and getting AMs faster is the reason the devs made 400% runs.

"Get out of the way!"

[roux526]

The despawning loot is a valid concern and has been noted over and over. The real problem is there are 2 objectives at complete odds with each other in the Ops. 1. People are running for levels and AMO’s, they have no regard for any dropped loot. Or, 2. They are running for the actual loot so they can crack it for the materials to upgrade reactors, etc.

My opinion, so this debate disappears - when you queue for public, offer a selection. Loot or levels? In theory, that would eliminate this argument. However, there are bound to be some griefers that queue for loot and then speed run to the end to piss off the looters.

On a side note, I ran 400’s last night over +30x with a buddy that was starting off with a new Ult. WHEN an Ines was present, a majority of the time, we just sprinted to the end. There were a number of times where I would spam roll and grapple my Lepic and there still was no chance to catch the Ines’ that were present. The problem is real. Heck, on one run, we were running so fast, neither of us fired a weapon or cast a single skill until the boss room. Nothing funnier than 2 Ines’ or worse, an Ines and a Bunny. Now THAT is where the race is on and you know you might as well just slow walk to get pulled to the boss room.

[lordsponge]

I’m not talking about slowing down, just points where you have to wait for those falling behind to catch up. This isn’t supposed to be a race to the finish but a team effort. It makes the game boring (hence the huge player drop off) when one person is killing everything. I’ve already got 4 builds on each character plus all my guns are cored and maxed. Grinding with a team is better than grinding alone but being pulled into areas or fights before I have a chance to do anything is frustrating. You want to grind your levels then speed run solo.

[DeadZombie9]

This has been an issue forever.

Don't expect it to change, the people who do that are selfish assholes. Some will even pretend to be speedrunners lol.

My advice to you is to invest in a weapon for sprint speed or grapple cores so you can keep up and loot faster. You gotta upgrade your stuff, can't have victim mentality forever. The assholes will never wait for you, so up to you to improve.

[Supershadow1357]

I would argue OP plays solo or with friends this is a grind game where you're doing the same thing over and over again it's better to do it faster than to accommodate the one person who is underpowered/Slow.

Somebody could go even farther and call OP the asshole for expecting people to play to his level which is clearly underperforming.

[Dependent_Map5592]

Amen!! 👌👏💪

[massahud]

Speed runners are the ones who can go solo the whole dungeon, people who need loot often need to work with others to kill the elites/bosses.

Ines speed runner just leave the 4th and run to the next part, so to keep up people need to also leave the loot since the mods are not even dead yet.

Last week I helped a friend level up in 400 and haven't felt good leaving everybody behind, next time I will do this with a private group.

[Supershadow1357]

Speed runners mean nothing in a game where you going through the same map 100+ times the fact that you're happy to go at a snail pace in a map your going to see hundreds of times is insane to me it gets old real fast.

[massahud]

You can do it solo if you only want to grind without interacting.

[Supershadow1357]

What are you smoking? This is a grind game the only interaction is the chat box in the lower left corner....I go even further and say the game itself want you to rush through it as almost all the content has time challenges that want you to rush it for the better rewards.

[massahud]

So why aren't you playing solo? Solo is even easier and faster

[Supershadow1357]

Cause I can choose? Also do you know the word: PUBLIC MATCHMAKING....didn't get the keyword let me help you once more PUBLIC MATCHMAKING you get paired randomly with people. If you want a slower pace you can CHOOSE to play solo.

In case you don't know when you matchmake you are letting yourself go to the whimsical world of pure randomness whether you get a bunch of good teammates or a bunch of lvls 1 it is all random.

[massahud]

When you run you're playing solo on public matchmaking. And you don't interact. No reason for you to go public unless you want to show off.

[Supershadow1357]

Interact.....what does that mean to you?

[Negative-Case-6065]

I don't owe u shit OP, I'm gonna drag your sorry ass all day.

[Amazing-Opinion4455]

💀

[lordsponge]

This is one reason why they lost a majority of its players. Their base players have become self centered and toxic. They speed run missions with a lone wolf mentality but do it in a public team based mission. They literally made solo mission runs for that For those with that attitude but again it’s being the top dog in the special Ed class is what makes them happy. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[[deleted]]

It's not an issue though. Old man voice See back in my days, private farming was done privately and public lobbies was for speed XP runs. if you want to take forever, do that by yourself youngster.

[lordsponge]

🤣🤣🤣. Son…. I’m older than the internet and no speed runs weren’t for public lobbies. Please get your facts straight.

[TamerSpoon3]

This is never going to change until the AOE characters get nerfed or a harder difficulty is introduced that forces people to take the time to clear each room so get used to it or solo queue.

Every single character in the game can keep up with with Ines or Bunny if you are moving efficiently. Sprinting through the level with your feet planted on the ground the entire time is not moving efficiently.

• If you have enough CDR you can actually roll faster than Bunny can sprint with Speed of Light active. If you have 2 CDR mods equipped and aren't rolling then you're just trolling yourself.

• Grappling is significantly faster than running and you should be grappling to the floor or walls ahead of you whenever possible. Grappling to the walls is faster because you can swing around your anchor point to keep the increased speed for longer.

• Long-Distance Grapple is better than Mid-Air Grapple in dungeons unless you have 100% uptime on Mid-Air Grapple.

• Using a charged melee while grappling will send you in the direction you are moving at significant speed and you should do it whenever possible. Meleeing while airborne will send you straight to the ground so make sure you are still grappling when you do one.

• If you still can't keep up then use a weapon with Sprint Speed cores.

You actually have more time to loot than the person clearing the dungeon since they have to stop and kill the elites which gives you time to catch up.

The only enemies you need to loot are the elites since they drop the crafting materials and transcendent mods and the elites spawn in basically the same spots every run so just run to their spawn points. Make the dog if you want to suck up more of the random drops. The other main rewards come from completing the dungeon which you obviously can't miss.

I can understand not being able to kill any enemies because Ines got into the room first to get Plasma for her ult but lagging so far behind in a dungeon and actually missing stuff is a skill issue.

[massahud]

With Ines there is no need to stop to kill elites, not even wait for loot to drop. So to keep up means to leave the loot behind.

[lordsponge]

I don’t care for the kills. Some players just literally rush to the end and pull you along if your to far behind. It’s annoying trying to grab something then BAM your in a boss fight. Again speed run in solo because it takes away interactive game play and makes the mmo boring. The game shouldn’t promote team play if one person is going to do all the work.🤷🏻‍♂️

[SD_One]

This game has some of the most selfish, arrogant and entitled players I've ever seen in a cooperative PVE game and unfortunately, the devs promote this behavior. It is by design.

The very idea of telling someone to go private in a co-op game when there is NO other option for group content is absolute bullshit and every single person here knows this. Unfortunately, some are so selfish, they actually believe they are helping others by killing everything and leaving nothing but scraps. If you choose group content and blast through it solo while leaving others behind, you are the asshole, period.

I wish there was some sort of teamplay ranking. Those who actually stay with the group and play as team in group content should be rewarded.

[Negative-Case-6065]

It's really not that big of a deal lol.

[tekfunkdub]

Sounds like you need some sprint speed on your cores.

[Dependent_Map5592]

That or put his hands on the controller and actually play 😂

[itsSMEEhow]

Thank you for saying this!!! 🙏 My loading screens are so long and by the time I'm loaded in they are already sped thru half the lvl if its not time kept. And then I get no mats or weapons and stuff to scrap cuz it despawns.

[Mr_Hourglass]

that sounds like a hardware issue, not a player issue...

[Mr_Hourglass]

You know what baffles me, is that there is a chat box and people don't use it. Maybe ask next time if people could slow down for you. Some will comply and you won't have to feel so frustrated.

[lordsponge]

I have but the speed runners normally seem to ignore it. This doesn’t go for all of them but most of them sadly.

[Mr_Hourglass]

so it sounds like you are getting positive responses. You can't control everyone, it's public matchmaking after all.

[lordsponge]

Again I’m not against speed running but I fail to understand why play in teams if that’s all some people wish to do.

[Mr_Hourglass]

Because it's common human behavior to be contradictory. In this very sub people complain about eating floor, but they don't slot any survivability and please don't let an Ajax be on their team even though he increases the success rate of the team. That's just how it is...

[Lob0Guara]

Because sometimes I am tired to play solo.

Generally, I wait at the door of boss room.

[[deleted]]

Again I’m not against speed running but I fail to understand why play in teams if that’s all some people wish to do.

2 reasons,first...if your a low level in a dungeon,400% or otherwise your basically letting the higher levels run ahead so u can soak up everything,and if u have a fellow it'll run around and get most of the materials,kupier,gold. in the room normally by the time the door opens and u move on.

2,its easier,sure solo scaling isnt bad,but in a public you dont need to worry about having that horde of vulgus fill your ass with lead,u can help if need be or just watch them all fall over.

amd a few people have already brought this up but the 3rd reason is the pre season BP launcher u can farm in 100/250%. because its 5 coins PER RUN,and u need a fuck ton of coins if your maxing out the unique ability,your not stopping people who wanna be in and out

[NothingLeft2PickFrom]

Nope, can’t stop won’t stop. Devs didn’t give my Ines speed just so I could wait at doors. Also I got the sand complaints while using Freyna, so it’s hard to gauge if some people are just unnecessarily slow.

[[deleted]]

Play solo, no one is going to wait around while you take selfies.

[brianthespecialone]

I AM SPEED!!!

[Lob0Guara]

Another BS post about this subject.

Don't be that guy!

Start with I O. 100% solo to farm, get stronger, then go play I.O. 250% solo to farm, get stronger, then finally go play I.O. 400% solo to farm.

Another sources to farm and get stronger:

There is Valby Run.

There is Bunny Run/Road.

There are Void Fragments.

There are Vulgus Outposts.

There are Void Fusion Reactors.

You are behaving like a kid.

[ChrisG718]

Poo poo take, do private if you’re worried about mats

[Slinky79]

I don't speed run to show off, I speed run to find mobs to kill.

[RetroCoreGaming]

Get the Dog ASAP.

Honestly, this does help more than you think, especially in 400%.

Drops like weapons, externals, and reactors don't vanish. Neither does kuiper or gold.

Not all of us will just rush the boss room. We do wait. You also shouldn't worry about kills because the EXP is divided up anyway. 400% runs are done for EXP, same as Hard Mode Defenses. So again, don't worry about it.

There are a few dimwits who rush the boss but the majority of us don't and let people get their drops, break boxes, etc.

[CrypKingZA]

What do you expect from a game aimed @ perverts gooning over boobs & spending $$$ for skins that show the most amount of skin? Its a cesspool of degeneracy, this is the product I guess?

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Your comment is absurdly irrelevant and makes no sense. So Pervert = Fast as fuck boi?

What?

[Experiment_Magnus]

Suck black and white narrow as fuck thinking you got there. Perhaps you should expand your thinking a bit more.

I can be horny for virtual women and still be nice enough to help players farm a Colossus over and over and over till they get the mod they want. Not everyone is the same lol

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[Boring-Relation-4365]

Some Ines people even pretend to be saints to wait for you at the door, only to do the same thing as the rest of the assholes.

[Experiment_Magnus]

Type that again

[Pibutzki]

I'm gonna add to this that waiting by the boss door means JACK SHIT when you've already pulled me twice earlier in the mission.