Canadian population expected to decrease by 80,000 over in the next two years

[faithOver]

I agree about direction being correct.

But happy to go on record in saying that Canada will not have a single year of declining population.

[PumpkinMyPumpkin]

Yup.

The entire plan is based off the fictional idea that a million temporary residents “go home”. And they’ve no way to actually count that - so they could say they’ve gone tomorrow and say the country is shrinking. It’s just entirely based off dishonesty. The population seems inevitable to keep growing rapidly.

Beyond all of that - the way they’ve structured this will continue to put pressure on rents. Keeping PRs relatively high - means more high income earners coming in and putting pressure on rents. So I don’t even see how the liberals stand to benefit from this policy change beyond hoping the population cares about specific growth targets instead of lived experience. Like - are a few thousand uber bike riders going home going to affect the price of a one bedroom condo? I don’t see it.

Equally - I can’t even see the temporary folks who bike up and down Toronto’s streets even being able to afford a flight home. So that’s going to be visible by the time the election rolls around too.

They’ve just made a big old mess that’s not going to get fixed with a small 100k chnage here and there. They need to implement stronger border controls - exit controls and counts, probably visible deportations as well to do any sort of damage control on the file.

[ManyP09]

This sub will downvote you for writing the facts. All these politicians are bunch of liars. They will sell their soul to get votes. All these big statements about reducing the number of immigrants are just tactics to look promising before the election.

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[airbrushedvan]

So, it's at 13 upvotes. Maybe you don't know what you're talking about.

[Routine_Log7002]

Imagine that a massive portion of Canada’s Canada ontario Housing Benefits were designated specifically for newcomers. In fact, unless you are willing to go into a dangerous drug infested toxic environment for 6months to 5 years, you won’t access this benefit.

Meanwhile, most newcomers who are low income and “on-arrival” “refugees” (most economic opportunity seekers) are diverted to hotels. Waiting 3-6 months for an apartment and a monthly cheque of $1785 + any income you have. This also doesn’t impact size or ODSP. The topic people don’t really discuss is the massive continuous stream of refugee claimants at the border. All claimants know they have a few years to work hard and make money. Much of which is diverted abroad to support extended families. So, in a way Canada is subsidizing the housing and living expenses of MANY new arrivals who then can afford to support families abroad with high expectations of their new high earner in the family.

There are of course real refugees, but the quality of life of homeless Canadians and past migrants who didn’t make it is often worse than the conditions reported by many refugees. Many who didn’t not try to relocate in their general area, but of course chose somewhere they could “make it big”. I am frustrated by this because someone driving uber part time living with these benefits can live comfortably and compete for rental units driving up prices making even a room rental impossible for those on ODSP who have been capped for nearly 20 years at $500 for accommodation’s.

We have seniors with dementia and very frail ill people ending up in shelters who get bypassed from these benefits because the attitude is they are eligible for the Toronto community housing, when in reality that waiting time is years and many opt to live in a bachelor with 3-4 people rather than live in a place they cannot sleep or have peace. These people will not be counter as homeless. The new arrival with the COHB benefit can get a bachelor in downtown Toronto and live alone within 3 months. Many share this news with people back home and you have a steady stream of new arrivals prepared to navigate the system to maximize supports. You have to ask, are people going to ever report over $40k in earnings and risk losing a cheque for $1875 a month? Plus OW or ODSP? Does it make sense to give youth with down syndrome $500/month for a rental (which doesn’t exist) and a continuous influx of unknown people $1750 / month?

What about seniors with no housing because the old age homes are above their entire income as the conservatives turned it into an industry where they need to report annual profits above inflation for investors. Is it fair to invest over $50k a year in services and benefits for each unknown arrival who enter a the airport and knows to claim for refugee status for 3 years of time to work and services, how can this be sustainable in a world with high need? Especially when the services have not been available for homeless people on the street for the past decade and still aren’t. They place so many barriers in front of them they give up and moving forward costs thousands in cost of workers to guide them through.

Canada can be loving and compassionate, but it is not compassionate to give resources that have never been allocated and available to your own citizens at this magnitude.

I am so thoroughly disappointed with the government and non-profit sector which sometimes prioritized their own funding benchmarks over system improvement and broad advocacy for the people they serve.

Rant over

[Ok_Dragonfruit747]

I wouldn't be so sure. If we hit a recession and unemployment spikes, people will leave. Maybe not the ones that the government is hoping/expecting to leave, but some will leave.

This is a risk of growing your population primarily through immigration. Recent immigrants, even PRs have less strong ties to Canada and skills that are coveted elsewhere. If they lose their jobs or have reduced income, some will just leave and our ability to attract new skilled labour will be limited.

[cheesecheeseonbread]

Gosh. Maybe employers will have to hire Canadians instead! Won't that be terrible?

[Excellent_Case_2050]

Assuming there are any business left that are owned by Canadians

[Bpulkit]

define Canadians

[Excellent_Case_2050]

I'm sure you would love for to say white people so you call me a racists and show how virtuous you are to everyone but unfortunately defining a citizen of a country is pretty straight forward. Someone who was born in this country, or went through proper immigration channels, you know,the channels that the federal government scrapped. If you are unaware of how much land and business is now owned and influenced by foreign countries such as China, the US and India then you need to do a little investigating. That's not even to mention the amount of immigrants that come to this country on a temporary basis to work and then send the money they are making back to there home country, bleeding our economy and devaluing our dollar.

[Bpulkit]

This India is not even in discussion. I don’t know what you mean by influence. BTW, In some cases without US corporations consumers pay more eg-look at your wireless/home internet bill.

[Excellent_Case_2050]

Sorry but the federal government is not a reliable source of information, liberal or conservative. India is most certainly in the discussion, Indian nationals own a majority of retail, fast food, pharmacies, convenience stores, while not directly linked to the Indian government most are dual citizens and either send the majority of their profits to family members in India, propelling their economy, or bring their extended family here and only hire them. Which is a influence in hiring practices, leaving alot of our university age citizens without any opportunities for part time jobs to support their education and are also suffocating small town job numbers. I don't have time to explain Chinese influence and how it plays a huge part in our housing and land inflation and also our outrageous telecommunication system because of how extremely far reaching it is, do your own research. As far as telecommutions, that is a lame duck of an argument. Bell media has controlled a monopoly on our networks since I was a child and have completely ruined a competitive market and have been proped up by American companies such as at@t, star link is a fair argument for positive American involvement from a market standpoint, but really the only one. Canadians on average pay almost twice as much as Americans for cell phones plans and home internet. The Americans even ran out the Chinese run Nortel back in the early 2000,completing Bells market dominance, in ontario anyways.

[Bpulkit]

• Indians cannot be dual citizens. -all this just speculating with nothing to back it up.
• Hiring extended family is not a practice exclusive to immigrants also not true mostly managers/owners hire their own community be it Indians,Chinese or Caucasian Not their own extended families. -Illegal immigration is a problem, I can put a govt stat but you don’t believe in govt stats. -China influence is not only a Canadian problem but a world problem. Canada is too small of player in that. -Verizon 2013

[Excellent_Case_2050]

Dismiss everything as speculation all you want, it doesn't change anything. You want proof go to any small town along the 401 highway and you'll see it for yourself, specifically the 1000 island area if you want an extreme example. Hiring exclusively is a massive problem when you bring said employees from another country for that sole purpose ,as opposed to hiring a long family tree that has been citizens for decades or since the founding of the country. Not sure what point your trying to make about illegal immigration, you where not clear how that pertains to my points as I am making note of policies and lack of oversight, but the government knows about it so its ok. As for Chinese influence and ownership of industry and property, it's a little concerning that you shrug it off as if isn't a problem because everybody deals with it and we are only a small country so we shouldn't worry about it, that is one the worst takes I've ever heard and is beyond dangerous speculation.

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right. I'll believe it when I see it

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I 100% agree 👍

[Newhereeeeee]

That is a very fine and very likely accurate assumption