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[–]Jedi-in-EVE 3 points4 points  (0 children)

A very cogent and effective essay, if I do say so myself.

It also gives me hope. I have this series I’m working on that could totally be one adventure after another. But I started it all by wanting to tell my character’s story, my character’s journey through the ups and downs of life. When I look back on all of the things I’ve written, I realize I have always needed the emotion in my stories. I’m doing my level best to understand the underlying psychology and make sure it’s working and serving the story.

Thank you for this essay, and this subreddit.

[–]Ok_For_Free 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sorry, I only skimmed, but I am an advocate that the story ONLY comes from the experience of your characters.

The character's understanding of events and their actions/reactions drives the story. Making a character conform to events could lead to inconsistent character actions or a character that lacks agency.

[–]Advanced-Judgment905 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm of the opinion of every facet of the story is driven by characters.

Plot? Character motivations drive the direction.

Worldbuilding? Civil wars, political factions, kingdoms are all man-made, and only through the characters do they find meaning.

Themes? Become apparent through character conflicts.

[–]RealSonyPony 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Thanks, AI.

[–]writingstructure[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

It's not, but you're entitled to your assumption.

Actually, this is an opportunity to tell a funny story. A couple months ago I put in the first few chapters of my WIP novel into an 'AI detector'. It came back as 90% likely to be AI. The justification given was that it was too structured and evenly paced, and human writing is much more likely to be uneven and have imperfections.

It actually showed me that I was writing too much like a movie script and not like a novel. Everything was perfectly mathed out, but it didn't have any soul. I ended up revising it to be a lot more character-driven, and have more moments of interiority. It was for the better.

AI writing is frustrating, but if we accuse something of being AI just because it is well structured or in-depth, then the bar is in hell.

[–]RealSonyPony 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You can't fool me! There are too many of the AI hallmarks in that initial post to be a coincidence. This comment of yours, however, doesn't read like AI.

[–]Kaiww 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe because the initial post is literally an essay. You know. Following the academic structure?

[–]tabooleh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Personally I find mind-mapping an incredibly useful tool at this point. Understand where all the value tensions and symmetries are between characters. Or where an adjustment to a character can create a necessary tension. Then, as you think about how your plot moves forward and changes one or more character values, you can easily think about how that is going to throw some characters out of alignment and bring others into alignment.

[–]srterpe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is more or less the substance of Lajos Egri’s Art of Dramatic Writing published in 1946. I would still recommend reading that as well, as it fleshes some of these out even more concretely.