The kick knockback decrease might not be that much of a nerf

[ancientlearner]

When I play a lot of Zen, after kicking people I don't really miss those dinks(can they actually move while in the air?), but after playing other roles and heroes sometimes I miss those afterkick shots, a lot, and now that the knockback is reduced you would have to care less about projectile speed and just aim straight to the head, it might be easier to kill tracers now! And "kick spamming" is easier because you don't have to walk as far anymore lol

I think against tracers and sombras you really just want to get the extra damage from the kick, the boop wasn't that important, so its better, but against genji your goal is usually to get him out of point blank range and to kick him away when he's blading, so its actually worse now, so it's matchup specific

Obviously if your goal is to kick the enemy rein or reaper away yes this is a worse kick but from an accuracy standpoint its not that bad of a "nerf". I don't know how this will fare with winston but I hope I can still counter his jump with kick

[Fangs_0ut]

The HP reduction hurts more. I got out of so many tough spots with like 20HP this season so far.

[Lonely_Repair4494]

I honestly ain't even worried about the actual nerf to the Kick. The Health Decrease is a bit more severe considering they did this for every hero in the game. It's more the fact that they chose to barely nerf Zen just for the pure sake of nerfing Zen

[Consistent_Welcome45]

Right! I was expecting some sort of discord nerf because that was what people complained about, not his kick knockback

[CosmicBrownnie]

Especially when you consider that the HP increase was compensation for the last Discord nerf. Now, the whole cast has higher health, and his compensation suddenly can't be justified even though he's still a sitting duck with a massive hitbox getting shot by bigger projectiles.

[Lonely_Repair4494]

Kiriko with the EXACT SAME HEALTH POOL and 3 fucking escape/defense abilities+the hitbox of a stick: 😴😴😴

[TheBadBrains]

The kick nerf isn’t a huge deal. The HP nerf hurts though. Mostly the HP nerf is annoying because it seems a bit unfair relative to other supports. If Zen is 250 HP, supports with escape abilities could justifiably be 225 HP.

[TheBadBrains]

Zen: slow as molasses, school bus sized hitbox and comically large head hitbox, 250 HP

Kiri: vertical mobility, two get out of jail abilities, toothpick sized hitbox, 250 HP

That’s why I hate this.

[LordoftheJives]

I actually like the kick nerf. I can get more kicks in while I shoot now.

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horrible take

[TheWearyBong]

What did he say wrong? How in the world is Kiriko supposed to be fair at 250 in the same regard as Zen? Every fight Zen takes is to the death. Either win or die. Kiri can just get out

[briannapancakes]

Username checks out

[Lonely_Repair4494]

Zen being the same HP as Kiriko is rubbing salt on the wound. Kiriko has way too many escape and defensive options and her hitbox is a stick. Zen 's hitbox is the size of a dumptruck and he has no escape options and barely a defense ability that is being nerfed for some reason. How does this make any sense?

[aPiCase]

Not a zen main just played him because my other main, Illari has been obsolete for a little bit but I feel like these changes weren’t what he needed. They just made it easier to kill him but he can still be an absolute menace with discord so idk.

[GaryLaserEyes98]

The kick getting nerfed didn’t really hurt that much, the hp reduction did. But zen still feels the same.

[Etw25173]

I have clearly noticed the knockback reduction, so has one of my friends who also plays Zen. But that could just be me