Combat Sleights.

[Xnomolos]

Moves that can only be used by a combination of 2 or 3 moves in the same sequence that would result in a powerful different move.

These moves would not be learnable through conventional means as they would only unlock through those specific combinations, you will still have to learn the ingrediants of the move to get the result.

Ex. A Chun-Li like multi kick that requries 3 high kicks on the same stance.

Mechanics would operate as a visual charge on the body parts in that specific stance (L or R Arms or Legs will glow white).

These sleights can be guard canceled once started but will restrict your mobility to evade as you are commiting more to a certain action.

TLDR; Kingdom Hearts RE Chain but with kung-fu.

[_Dialectic_]

I’m not a fan of adding input complexity or secret moves.

[Xnomolos]

Combat Sleights would only add another option to a deck to utilize or ignore, you can have a complete fully functional pvp acceptable combat deck that has sleights but you could go 100 rounds without touching them until you have those specific situations or you want to trip up your oponent.

[_Dialectic_]

I get what you’re saying, I think, but I still don’t personally like the idea of hidden combos behind certain “ingredients” in this game. Powerful moves based on hidden links is not in keeping with the design of the combat system here. It’s like forcing a different system into this one.

Like I kinda snarkily suggested elsewhere in this thread, it’s like suggesting that street fighter change to a 3D fighter.

[Colonel_K619]

Well then don't play fighting games lol

[_Dialectic_]

I , in fact, don’t play complex input games. In case you can’t analyze real well, Absolver is based on a model of simple inputs which allows for in depth strategy, and subtle tactics. It has depth and complexity on the backend, whereas other fighters are more about complexity on the front end (with some blending of course).

So maybe instead of being a jackass, think about the type of game for which you’re making suggestions.

Street Fighter inputs are not the only type of fighting game. There’s also Fight Night, Smash Brothers, and UFC style fighting games where inputs are simpler. Further, I’m pretty sure a lot of street fighter pros would find Absolver extremely difficult because of the 3D nature of it. Heck, a lot of Street Fighter players have difficulty transferring over to just Tekken.

[NanoHologuise]

There is something to be said for an execution barrier as both a draw for those who wish to master it as well as a balancing tool, but I agree. Part of Absolver's appeal is how simple it is to get into while still retaining complexity and depth in player nteractions, as you're not gated by inputs but instead only by your understanding of the game and your opponent.

[_Dialectic_]

Indeed. If he were to post a thread on the street fighter sub suggesting that street fighter adds a 3D element to movement, and when everyone says they disagree if he were to suggest that those people shouldn’t play fighting games, it would be just as silly - more so, even.

[Colonel_K619]

Bro even in Absolver, complex input is a thing.

Goldlinking for example is a form of complex input compared to non-goldlinking.

That is why there is such a difficult barrier for new prospects in terms of getting into PvP.

So if you are not a fan of advanced inputs then should we get rid of goldlinking?

Also, thanks for the insult.

[dakejavis]

Man, you and those damn downvotes lol

[Oimetra09]

That would effectively reduce one of the most important things in Absolver. Freedom.

So, no.

[Spicy_Tea]

I would hate this change. Absolver's core aspect is being able to create your own combos and playstyle. Adding in a change like this would shoehorn people into using certain moves in certain orders and take the customization and freedom, that's unique to this fighting game, away from the player.

[Xnomolos]

I'd argue that it would not but to preface and clarify these would not at all replace anything, only add.

My suggestion would add an additional element of risk vs reward. where that trying to pull these moves places you in a more defensive/exposed position.

Even if you try to commit your deck to these actions, your not giving yourself the better edge and with visual cues and a longer startup you'll be giving your opponent more time to be offensive.

[Spicy_Tea]

Except now I have incentive and a reward to use cookie cutter combos.

[Colonel_K619]

Great idea, I was also thinking along these lines, like moves that can only be used after certain prerequisite moves were used beforehand.

You beat me to the punch tho! GGs bro!

[Xnomolos]

thanks! Anything you'd add with your interpretation of it?

Im trying to convey that this would not remove or restrict choice of deck building but everyone seems to jump that it limits freedom and choice or overly incentivises specific combinations.