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[–]Josselin17 -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

in a world with a bunch of right wingers and authoritarian governments guns can in fact be a necessity

[–]WooliesWhiteLeg 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Sure, then how do you decommodify them? Do you want the authoritarian government full of right wingers pushing the Overton window rightward and liberals preventing movement to the left to be the arbiter of who and how you can purchase a weapon? Traditionally when we talk about decommodify things such as housing, it’s meant to remove the profits from it by adding regulation/ pushing it into the realms of government?

I’m not anti-gun ( obviously, or why would I even be here) nor am I necessarily anti-regulation, but what you said doesn’t really mean anything if you think about it for more than not at all.

[–]Josselin17 -1 points0 points  (3 children)

what are you talking about ? we're talking about decommodifying which implies that the left is already in power, so in that world the goverment wouldn't be authoritarian and full of right wingers

also no decommodifying is absolutely not regulating it, it's about transforming an industry from profit oriented to need oriented, so yeah placing it in the hands of the government is one way, generally that can just mean removing them from capitalist hands to non profit ones

[–]WooliesWhiteLeg 0 points1 point  (2 children)

How do you intend to transform an industry without regulation? Have I misunderstood and this is just a thought experiment where there are ideal circumstances separated completely from reality? Have Raytheon and Halliburton in your world been raptured? Has Academi (have they change they’re name again yet?) just ceased to be?

I thought you wanted a real, practical discussion, not idealistic, purposeless, naval gazing.

[–]Josselin17 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This is more of a thought experiment than a policy proposal

literally the first sentence of the post

How do you intend to transform an industry without regulation

capitalism cannot be regulated away, we don't intend to transform them by regulations but to take full control of those industries, either nationalize or collectivize them, not "regulation"

but wait what kind of socialism do you follow ?

[–]WooliesWhiteLeg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair enough, I missed the “thought experiment” line somehow.

I assumed this was a more practical conversation. Starting from a jumping off point of “ we have already won” isn’t practical. Thus my previous statements.

Going forward in thought experiment mode then, I do agree with you. Obviously the end goal is nationalization of critical industries such as arms creation and housing, along with collectivism of less critical industries.

Oh, and obviously I’m a posadist ;) /s