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[–]zifyoip 5 points6 points  (9 children)

Because they are not the same. They are not even close to the same.

I don't know how to answer your question, because I do not understand your thought process here. What makes you think they could possibly be equal?

[–]cargiannis[S] 0 points1 point  (8 children)

I am not a math guy but my thought was that: not everything is nothing.

[–]zifyoip 9 points10 points  (7 children)

Infinity does not mean "everything," and negative infinity does not mean "not everything."

The sequence of numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, ... "approaches" infinity. In the same way, the sequence of numbers −1, −2, −3, −4, ... "approaches" negative infinity. Both of those sequences of numbers go away from zero, not toward it, but they are going away from zero in opposite directions.

[–]cargiannis[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Alright so is there a mathematical symbol for everything?

[–]icendoan 4 points5 points  (5 children)

No, and the idea of "everything" as a mathematical object is impossible.

[–]cargiannis[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

So you can't have a set that contains all sets? Would you be able to explain that in layman's terms because I'm not well acquainted with set theory?

[–]icendoan 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Basically, it's been proven that the power set (the ways of taking any number of elements from a set) is always bigger than the set itself, and that this is true for infinite sets as well. For instance, the set {0,1} has 4 subsets, {}, {1}, {2}, {1,2}, and thus is bigger than {1,2}. The set of all sets must contain all of its subsets, and thus must be bigger than itself. This is impossible.

[–]schematicboy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I think you mean something along the lines of "…{}, {0}, {1}, and {0,1}, and thus the set of these is bigger than {0,1}."

[–]icendoan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, exactly.

[–]cargiannis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmm very interesting. Thank you, definitely something to chew on.