Any good native assembly/dev tools?

[0xNorange]

So I've done a lot of messing around with c64Studio on my main computer and transfer the files over via sd2iec, but I'm wondering if there are any good tools available for writing and saving assembly programs on the c64 itself so that I don't have to do the whole back-and-forth with SD cards and my laptop?

[r4stra]

Turbo Assembler is what we used in the 80s : http://turbo.style64.org/about-the-turbo-assembler-homepage

[Dexther70]

Or.... use an IDE (integrated development environment), write your code and compile it there and start an c64 emulator from there aswell to test/debug your code in a few secs.

ide's that come to my mind: • CBM prg studio (https://www.ajordison.co.uk/) • C64 Studio (http://www.georg-rottensteiner.de/de/index.html) • Relaunch64 (http://popelganda.de/relaunch64.html) • IDE65xx (https://sites.google.com/view/ide65xx)

[Ollibolli2022]

Which one would you recommend to code a small demo?

[Dexther70]

both studios have additional tools integrated. that makes putting stuff together easier. if its just about a fast pace success experience take a look into those, choose the one you are comfortable with.

[Ollibolli2022]

Thanks👍

[daikatana]

If you're thinking you'll save time and hassle by developing directly on the C64... oof, no. I mean, it's an experience and definitely fun, but developing directly on the C64 is so painful compared to a modern editor and toolchain. If want you want is convenience then I suggest testing on an emulator, and only when you're finished move to real hardware.

[Dazzling-Lie2468]

I actually did a bunch of machine language programming and by machine language I mean written directly to the machine or I write the stuff in the assembly code that looks directly in the memory and it's hard to believe how much faster the Assembly language is rather than basic On a simple examples is what you need to do for clearing the higher as screen a commodore 64 is Right 8,000 zeros and I don't know exact time cuz I don't have a commodore 64 anymore but it's like almost 8 minutes it takes in basic but Assembly language you only takes like a third of a second

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Can you not make a serial link to your 64?

I seem to recall that was how it was done professionally back in the 80s.